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176 – Do we need Another Braille Computer?

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On this episode of the iACast, Michael talks with Michael Babcock, and Jason Castonguay about the following topics.

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  • First public Beta of Android 14 released
  • HBO Max now renamed to Max
  • iOS 16.4, MacOS 13.3, and other software updates released from Apple

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We discuss if the community will be excited about the Optima from Orbit Research coming in 2024. Stay until the end for a surprise!

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[0:00] Music. 

[0:20] All right, I’m back with two wonderful folks this time. We have Michael Babcock. Hello, everyone. 
And we have Jason Castingway back with us. Is this your first time on the show, Jason? 
This is my first time on… No, it isn’t. I was on previously with the Apple HomePod. 
You were on the unboxing, but this is your first time on the IA cast. So, yeah, brand new. So, welcome. 
Thank you very much. Great to be here. Yeah, we’re glad to have you and I think we have a pretty interesting show today and I’m really glad to have you here to get your thoughts on our topic today. 
So it’s going to be very exciting, but as we always do, we’re going to start with some tech news. But before we even do that, Michael, you and Marty have this little thing called Unmute Presents. 
So, um, and it’s been a little while since you guys have talked about it. 
So why don’t you kind of refresh people on what that is and what topics you guys have been talking about? 

[1:24] Sure. So that little thing called unmute presents keeps growing. 
It’s like a kid. And thank you for the reminder, because as I realized, I need to get the episode that goes out tomorrow, edited, uh, putting it off to the last minute. 

[1:35] Just a little bit. Anyways. So unmute presents is live on Tuesdays at 10 AM Pacific time. 
That’s 1 PM Eastern. and you can get details about that by going to acb.community. 
We’re also typically streamed on ACB Media 5 if you’d rather just listen in, but we answer your tech questions and hopefully we’re able to provide you with a solution or a resource to help come to a solution so those tech issues don’t have to stand in your way anymore. 
On Thursdays, we publish content more in depth about a topic and those topics typically come from questions we’ve been asked, and we’re starting to produce some more regular content on Thursdays. 
So for example, the last Thursday of the month, you’re gonna get a security update, and the second Thursday of the month, you’ll hear more about A-Lady and what’s going on in that arena. 
And then on Sundays, we teach you something. I wanna teach you how to do something, get a task done with your technology in five minutes or less. 
And yeah, I’ve noticed they’re starting to creep out to about 10 minutes, but the point is, keep them slow, keep them quick, go through it and don’t slow down and teach people how to use their screen reader, but teach you how to get the job done with the technology you’re using. 
So thank you for asking, Michael, I appreciate it. 

[2:54] Yeah, of course. And throughout all of the IACAST network, you guys can hear Unmute present on our live 365 radio station. 
So keep tuned into that. and we have more on that later on in the show. 
Really exciting news, so I’m excited to talk about that. 

[3:17] But we have some interesting tech news. And Michael, you found a few things that were interesting today. Do you want to kind of talk about those? 

[3:28] Yeah, so I can just give a quick overview because I haven’t really done much digging into it. 
But the news articles that I found that we can talk about is the fact that Google launched Android 14 public beta 1 today, as of the time of recording. 
Note that on through unrelated resources in this article, it’s been made apparent that there’s not any immediate changes to talk back or improvement. 
At least that’s what I’ve heard. I haven’t tried it myself. 
There’s also the additional information related to HBO deciding to drop HBO from their name for their streaming service and come, I believe it’s May 21st, will now be known as Max. 
So I’m not sure what my credit card’s going to show. Is it going to just show that Max charged me? 
That’s a weird charge. 
And so that should hopefully give more representation of what type of content HBO is providing, especially with acquisition of Discovery and the other channels that go along with that. 
Jason, do you watch HBO Max at all a lot? I do not, actually. 
We pay for it and I don’t watch it, my wife did, and we keep paying for it. 
Well, I think what they’re probably looking at doing is, they don’t want to call it HBO or Discovery, they just want to call it something right in the middle, and I think that’s a good trade-off. 

[4:53] It would be interesting if they called it Discovery Max, kind of just bringing those two properties together, but I think they’re just calling it Max. 

[5:01] And, you know, I’m totally fine with that because that’s kind of what the app icon is, is the word max and they just dropped HBO off of it. So, yeah, I did not know that. 
So maybe that maybe they knew that was coming ahead of time. Yeah, the word max is very much imposed over the HBO on the icon from what I can remember. I watch HBO Max a lot. 
Unfortunately a lot of my shows are ending on there. The Last of Us of course is not ending but his dark materials just ended and you know Westworld was not just ended but removed. So, you know, some of the DC Comics stuff has been up in the air, so I don’t know. 

[5:46] Game of thrones is still you know they’re making shows and spin offs of that so i have a lot to watch but i’m a huge fan of HBO and as for the android stuff have you noticed the last couple of versions of android really haven’t been big updates it’s just kind of been. 
New version number, a few minor things, but. 
That’s funny, one of the headlines I just read was that the back button in Android will now match your wallpaper. And I’m like, yay. Yay. That’s something I’ve always wanted. 
I’m a visual person and I don’t know how much I care. No, that was just a headline. 
I did not read any details, but I thought that was interesting. Yeah, yeah. 
Did you know that Microsoft is also rumored to be changing the print screen key to open it snipping tool. So it’ll be the first change to the print screen key in like 30 years. Wow. 
I mean, and you know, we have tabbed notepad and all those things and. 

[6:46] And I know people have mixed thoughts on that, but I’m really excited about this Windows having eventually or possibly having the phone link app work with iPhones. 
If people haven’t heard about that, that’s pretty exciting. Yeah. 
Mm-hmm. And you know, one thing we ought to do either here on the IACast feed or on unmute, if you haven’t heard about it, I’ve been raving about it everywhere, that I love it, is the Windows Package Manager. Have you guys used that? 
No. So it’s a little lesson here on the IACast, folks. There’s an app you can get in the Microsoft store called Windows package manager. 
It installs a program that you use on your command line and it’s called Win, W-I-N, get, G-E-T. 
And you can type WinGet install and you can type zoom.zoom or NVaccess.NVDA or any number of applications and it doesn’t pull them from the Microsoft store. 
Goes out and gets them from the websites. 

[7:53] Hmm. So like I can install steam for playing video games or discord just from Winget. 
That is clever. 
Oh, nice. It is fantastic. It’s almost like homebrew. 
But for windows. Yes, nice. It’s wonderful. 
Like I, I had to reset my computer recently and like I’m not going like because you’d have to go to the steam web page, find install steam. Do you? Uh huh. 
When you get involved in that valve dot steam, it’s fantastic. 
Oh, and I imagine there are all sorts of commands you can invoke after the wind get command. 
Oh, for sure. Probably one of which update. Right. I was gonna say one of which you could search for something. 
I wonder if wind get has this thing. Yes, you could do a little search. 
Cool. And if there’s like, if you type wind get install zoom, it’ll tell you there’s multiple packages with the word zoom. 
And so you can see which one, you know, like, like I was saying, zoom.zoom installs the proper zoom chat. 
I mean, zoom meetings platform. 
So it’s really neat. I want to do a demo showing this off. So I’m really excited about Windows Package Manager. 
I’m always looking for content on Sundays, just saying. 
Oh yeah, we may have to do that. So, pretty excited. 

[9:22] So, one other thing that has happened in the news that I want to point out is Apple did come out with new versions of iOS, Mac OS, TV OS, even a new update for the studio display.
And it’s like the 16.4 and I guess 13.3 for Mac OS. 

[9:48] I want to caution people when you install these, they are not the smoothest of installs. 
In fact, my studio display for a short time became a studio brick. 
That’s not good. It, um… 
It doesn’t even offer the ability to retry the update. It just kind of happens occasionally. 
It tries again occasionally while it’s plugged into a computer. 
So it just and it’s inaccessible. And all it said was go to app support dot apple dot com slash, studio display slash restore or something like that. 
It was like, oh, no. 

[10:29] That’s that’s disconcerting. Yes. So So that did happen on for me last Friday during the workday, so that was not fun. 
So be aware when you’re doing these updates that things, even though they’re stable, things can go wrong. 
I was using, I’m using Xcode 14.3, and there’s a huge bug in that that makes it to where most libraries will not build, and your apps will not run or be distributable to the App store. So, you know, even though Apple and all these companies put out new software, it doesn’t mean they’re stable, guys. So, fortunately, I was able to downgrade to 14.2. 
I just can’t run my iPhone apps from like on my phone from that. So, those are all things to keep in mind when you update the your software. You know, a lot of times we think it’s justaccessibility problems that we have, but there’s a lot of other things that can happen too. 
So just be aware that when you may think something may be an accessibility issue, it could be something else as well. 
Have you guys had any experiences where you update something and it just completely tanks or has issues? Not in years. 
I used to, but not in years. It’s been pretty smooth for me. 

[11:55] Yeah, it’s been pretty smooth for me as well, but there have been times when I’ve been about to go live with a broadcast and something requires updating. 
I’m like, oh yeah, I have time. I know it’s going to be quick. 
Oh, well, there was one time in the past where, yeah, it was quick, but it broke a lot of things and I couldn’t go live. I’ve learned, let’s not do updates just before going live. 
Yeah, I totally understand that. 
Mmm. 

[12:29] So, you know, it’s like I was saying, it’s just be careful, be cognizant of what you’re doing and, you know, don’t do things whenever you’re right in the middle of a work day. Yes. Yes. 
Fortunately, it wasn’t a big deal. And I unplugged and plugged back in several times and it did the update one other time it failed and then the next time it succeeded, which was great. 
And all of a sudden I had a working glowing display again. 
So that was very nice. 
Xcode is still broken. And interestingly, there is not an Xcode 14.4 beta, to support the new versions of iOS and macOS that are in beta right now, guys. 
And I find that very interesting. It sounds like something really got broken on Xcode, that they’re having to really fix. 
Or is there something big coming in June that… 
Well, it’s interesting because you would think if they have the second beta now of iOS 16.5. 

[13:40] There would be an Xcode version now to go along with it and there’s not. 
Because technically Xcode 16, I mean, 13, no, 14.3, there’s so many different version numbers. 
14.3 cannot test the beta software. You cannot hook up the betas of the phone to Xcode and test them. 
So that’s the first time I’ve ever seen that happen. 
So I think, like you said, either something big’s coming or they broke something really good. 
Or both. Or both. We’ll see. Yeah. 
This is very true. It could be both. 

[14:24] So, just be very, you know, if you decide to update, be very cognizant, read and all those kind of things. 
And talking about iOS and all those things is kind of a good segue to talk about our big announcement for iAccessibility and everything we’re working on. 
We just had two apps approved today at the time of the recording, the day of the recording at least. Our iAccessibility app is back in the App Store on iOS. So you can, it’s now working much better. It doesn’t crash like it used to. Has a much, works much faster, Very speedy. 
So check it out. download the iAccessibility app and check out the live button. 

[15:13] Earlier we talked about our radio station with Live 365 that plays all of our content, between iocast and Unmute Presents. And if you tap on our live button, you will be able to hearthat in real time through the app. It even has player controls and all those things. 
So you can enjoy that. You can even get the Unmute Content, Unmute Presents content in the app as podcast form. And the neat thing is you can, if you don’t like Michael or Marty talking, you can speed them up to three X so you can make them talk really, really fast. 
And we’re okay with that. Yeah. I mean, that’s really a way to get through a lot of content. 
I agree. It’s the only way I keep up with my content. I don’t know about you, Jason, but I have to have my content sped up. I even edit sped up content. Really? Wow. Wow. Yes. 
Wow. You know, it’s interesting, you know, I think I use kind of the, there’s a mechanism that can do what Overcast does and it does, it sounds completely natural at 3x and so that makes it kind of nice. 
Apple has a built-in algorithm to do really good spoken content very fast. 
So the app works great. We’ll be working on push notifications. 
And there was a little feature that is no longer working that will be coming back eventually, where you can start and stop our live feed from ASERI Shortcut. 

[16:43] There’s some kind of a bug that’s making that not work, but that will be working in a future, bug fix version. So I’m pretty excited about that. 
And I also updated the Pocket Braille app, which is the first Braille reference app in the App Store. 
The original version came out probably 2012, 2013. 
And my watch wanted to talk. And I don’t know how I get my watch to talk because I don’t have voiceover on, so it’s very interesting. 
It just happens randomly. It’s so weird. 

[17:24] So Pocket Braille was the original Braille reference app in the store. 
It has had several versions and it’s been out for a long time. 
We just updated it to support newer iOS versions, newer interfaces. 
And what’s really neat, and people may not know this, it has an Apple Watch component. 
So you could look up every contraction for UEB on the Apple Watch. 
Ooh, that is cool. We’ve had a VI teacher actually go, TVI go through and create a Word document with all the contractions which have been gone through and meticulously explored. 
And they’re all in the app, on the paid version, in the regular app and the watch app. 
You get them in both places. 

[18:17] That’s great. I really enjoyed looking around it this morning because I had seen it, originally on the Amazon devices Am I correct in remembering that? 
I mean, yeah, I haven’t on Amazon. I don’t remember if I put it on the Amazon App Store or not, Okay, so just scratch that entire thing. 

[18:38] Because I remember there was some kind of braille I thought it was pocket braille that that I could ask what a certain letter or contraction was and it would come back It is on the echo, isn’t it, Michael? I thought you and Lauren were working on a skill on the echo, maybe. 
I made a braille quiz skill. Oh, that’s what I’m thinking of. Mm-hmm. 
Okay. All right. So it’s not exactly pocket braille. Right. It’s a little different. This one has the alphabet, numbers, punctuation, and contractions for UED. 
Yes. And that’s what I was looking at this morning, because when you posted the link, I went and grabbed it. 
It and I love how everything’s right there accessible through the different tabs on the bottom but you have this nice little about section which explains a lot as well. 
Very nice little history button within the about section that explains a lot. 
And that was written a long time ago so I hope that it’s still valid and still good information. 
Oh, okay. It was more than just a little, you know, few phrases. 
It was very nice to just sit there and listen to it, listen to my phone tell me exactly the chronology, so to speak, of Louis Braille, and then coming into the popularity, but then dropping again slightly because of the. 

[20:01] I’m trying to remember exactly everything I heard, but different… 

[20:09] Yeah, let me just stop right there. Well, I’m glad that it’s useful and that’s the whole reason it’s there is to be a useful resource. 
So the interesting thing is, unless something’s changed or there’s more contractions or things that I don’t know about that have been added since 2018, 2019, it’s still really current and that’s what I think is really great about the app. 
It doesn’t have to be updated. The content doesn’t have to be updated that much. 
Right. 
So, um, and that is also on Android. The neat thing is it’s on iOS, Android, and Mac OS for Apple Silicon Macs. 
So both of those apps will run on the Mac as well. 
So that’s pretty exciting. That is cool. 
Cause that means you can listen to the live stream on the Mac. 
And if you use my favorite tool, which is not my picks, I’m going to shout it out anyways right now called Sound Source on the Mac, you can adjust the volume of the app independently with a couple of keystrokes so you can always have the live stream playing in the background and listen to us. 
Yes, and we do have a good schedule every day. 
Yeah, yeah, I was listening yesterday for a couple hours. nice. 

[21:27] So, you know, going back to Braille, I guess, to the topic of today, you know, we’ve heard a lot of excitement about this new device that was announced at CSUN, and that is theOptima from Orbit. 
And I’m personally very excited about this device, especially learning a few things about it. 
One being that it’s going to be built with the modularity from framework computers, and they make laptops that are completely modular. 
I think this is the best news we could hear all year long for assistive technology. 
What do you guys think? 

[22:12] At first when I heard it, or heard about it, I was feeling like, okay, is this going to be another braille device that is the size of a laptop and now am I going to have the ability to leave the braille home if I need to or do I want to be taking braille around with me all the time and then as I read further I, learned about the modularity so I’m thinking there is a lot that is going to be very advantageous having a machine where you can switch things around or opt to leave the braille home. I’m guessing you can. I don’t know fully about how the braille aspect works other than that it’s 40 cell and you can opt for the technology that the orbit readers use or you can opt for the piezo, electronic cells that are, I hope I got that term right, in the typical refreshable braille displays that we’ve all come to know where they’re pretty silent. 
Right. 

[23:31] So I would love to see one, but I think it just has the opportunity to put braille into more hands and have it with someone on the go. 

[23:51] I agree. Yeah, what are some thoughts that you are having, both of you? 

[23:59] So I first heard about Framework on Daily Tech News show a few months ago. 
It might’ve been a year back, but it’s been a little while. And I didn’t think anything of it until I heard about this announcement. 
And I said, what was that computer that I heard about Tom talking about that you could just build to your specifications? often when. 

[24:23] I’m thinking about this from a VR counselors perspective. Often when a client has equipment purchased from them, their situation changes. 
Maybe not right away. Maybe not six months down the year down the road or a year down the road, but that 18 months, 24 month mark, maybe they’ve graduated school or maybe they’ve moved on to a new position in either their current workplace or they move somewhere else. 
And maybe your previous situation required you to have an HDMI port, and now having multiple USB-C ports is more important to you. 
Instead of having to go out and purchase new equipment, the same equipment the client is already using, comfortable with, and already has in their hands can be upgraded or modified,and you can just swap out the ports. 
And maybe as a VR counselor, you know that because your client’s needs will likely change in the not too distant future, you purchase them the device with all of the accessories so they can swap out and fit the best scenario while you’re in that situation. So I’m super excited. I want to see what it’s like. 

[25:35] Full transparency, AT guys, we do sell Orbit products. I have no additional information on on this product. I haven’t actually gotten to see it. 
I don’t know future sales plans. I don’t know if we’ll be selling it. 
I suspect we will, but I’m not certain. 
But the whole concept of it though is really exciting because what will this allow a blind user to do in the future? Because it’s running full fledged windows and it has an attached Braille display. 
Right. Now, I guess my question is, I mean, this is the whole topic of the show. 
We’ve had the Pac-Mate, we’ve had the Elbrail, we’ve had all these things in the past. 

[26:17] But do you think that this one is going to make a splash or do you think it’s gonna be like the others? 
And do we really want or need something like this? 
I mean, we have all these tech devices, like we have VR, and yes, there’s the niche that buys VR devices. 
We have all these different things that are very nice to have, but they don’t really make a big splash. 
Like, you know, everybody buys a note taker, but no, you know, but when it comes to like the Pac-Mate or the El Braille or things like that, they just don’t measure up to the same qualityor quantity as the note taker. 
So do you guys think that this will, you know, you know, be the one braille device to rule them all or not at all. 

[27:08] Do we know if, for example, the processor can be modular? I believe so, yes. Now see, that… 
So you can start with an i5, go up to an i7, and they say they’re going to support i9s. 
Okay, now see, that to me just answers the question, because it’s not static. 
You’re not stuck with a device that quickly becomes obsolete because it just doesn’t have an upgrade path like that. 
And with this, you have the ability to keep up with everybody else. 
Maybe you can—I just think it’s kind of amazing that you can keep the same laptop, just switch things out like that. That is really cool. 
That’s the whole concept of the framework environment. So it makes sense that they’ve partnered with framework to, make this happen because it’s a way to keep electronics out of the landfill that become out of date and keep your technology upgradable and be able to swap it out. 
Maybe this week you need your computer to be more powerful than you do next week when you’re just consuming media. 

[28:21] I guess my big question is, though, when we talk about this modularity. Let’s call the main system with the keyboard and all that the Optima core, right? The main part with I guess the motherboard, the keyboard, and, any other main parts and then everything else is modular, right? But what happens when we get like, I don’t know, DDR6 memory or the next generation of the processor lines and framework has to come out with new parts with faster bus speeds for the modular components. How will that affect you know like maybe you could go from an i5 to an i7 to an i9 of the current generation but will you be able to go to the next generation of those parts, the faster, you know. 

[29:14] Versions of those that are coming out in 2024, 2025, 2026. Is that going to be an issue? And I think that’s one question we’re going to have to ask closer to time. 
As the upgradability to newer specs, you could always upgrade from i5 to i7, but is it going to be limited to that one year’s group of parts? 
Hopefully, the display itself is modular. So if you do have to upgrade the main device, you don’t have to purchase a new display. 
So it makes it a lot more affordable upgrading path. 

[29:50] So those who don’t know, this is not available right now. It is not going to be available until January of 2024. 
So things could change. And in fact, things are changing because originally they had no cursor routing. 
A note that originally they had no thumb keys and it was made apparent after they got feedback from listeners that, Hey, we want thumb keys. 
So they’re taking that feedback and going back and, and, and designing it the way that, that the consumer actually wants it. 
So hopefully they produce that one product that gives us what we’ve all wanted in a, in a modern day Braille display and can make it affordable. 
That’s what I’m curious about is what are we looking at for a price point? 
I’ve not looked at framework computers. I don’t know what the price of a framework is. 
Hopefully it’ll be slightly cheaper than that because you’re gonna have to tack on the price for the braille display. So you’re gonna be paying more than the base framework anyways. 
So yeah, we’ll see. I’m real intrigued by it. 
I’m guessing it’s gonna be the price a note taker at least. 

[30:56] And there will be that difference between the Orbit Braille technology and the traditional. 
So that might factor into people’s spending as well. 
So would you guys replace your Windows laptops or your Mac laptops with one of these? 

[31:15] Not replace it. I might get one to go alongside, but I’m not going to replace it because you don’t have Hazel on Windows yet. 
Right. Yeah, I don’t think I’d be able to replace it, but I would definitely love to have one. 
I have an older Windows machine, and I think this would be, at least since Mac is my primary OS of choice, the Braille, the Optima would serve as a nice Windows replacement. 
Maybe we’re not the best audience to ask that question to. I think most of us are all Mac users. 
Well, it’s so I’m using Windows on a regular basis on my Mac with parallels. 
And if I could eliminate that, I will tell you, a parallels has been the best experience with Windows that I’ve ever had on the Mac in the entire time that I’ve used it. 
But if I could have a dedicated Windows machine, I think this would be an amazing one because a if I had a display hooked up to this Mac Mini, I could just swap it out over to this other other device. B, I’m like, I’m envisioning it. 
Hopefully it has some decent Bluetooth on it or it’ll have the USB A port. 
So I just swapped the dongle and I’m still using the same keyboard and I just have it sitting on the back part of my desk. So I would definitely be interested in one of these. 
Although maybe it wouldn’t be in the back of my desk because if I want the Braille, huh, I have to rethink that actually. 

[32:44] And I guess that’s the big question, especially for Mac users. 
You know, how can we integrate this into our workflow? 
Can it be used as a terminal mode for our iPhones or Braille or Macs? 
You know, it’s very interesting because if you can, then you’d have like the best of all three worlds, iPhone, Mac and Windows all with your devices and you know, your Braille display would be a Windows computer. 
Yeah, that would be actually kind of cool. Uh-huh. 
So I guess kind of the short answer is, yes, there is a place for this device. 
Where, but my thought is, what makes this stand out compared to the L-Braille beyond just the modularity? I know this is a hard question, but beyond just being modular, what stands out about this to you guys compared to those other devices? 
I’m thinking so far the fact that it is not tied to any specific screen reader, as far as I understand it. 
And, Oh goodness, what else? Um, it is integrated. So are the other devices, but it’s, it’s, uh. 

[33:58] It’s mainstream attention, I think, because it’s using mainstream hardware that yes, you set aside from the modularity, but really that, that is a big thing too, because you can’t upgrade the Elbrail once you get it. 
I was looking at the Mantis Q40 because I’m really interested in that device. 
Maybe not looking at that anymore, especially if we can get information about pricing, because honestly, I’d rather a full-fledged Windows computer in my Braille display. 
Like that’s just intense to think about. Yeah, you know, I would love to see how big this is. 
I wish I was at CSUN because I’d have loved to see how big this device is compared to the Mantis Q40. 

[34:40] I’ve seen a Mantis here, you know, it has a full keyboard. So I’d be curious to see what the difference is in the sizes. 
Yeah, that would be interesting. I have a Mantis here and I use it. 
Just more recently started using it with my Mac. I used to use it independently to write things up. 
And it is really, really nice to have a braille display right there while you’re computing, doing all sorts of things. The other day, I went to spell something. And I’m thinking, why am I asking the speech to spell it when it’s right in front of me in braille? 
It’s like obvious that I’m still kind of new at this because I’m used to using in other ways. 
So, and a part of the reason why, if anyone cares, is because I just didn’t have the workspace to accommodate the laptop and a braille display. And more recently, I got one of those add-onkeyboard trays. So I was able to enhance my workspace. It was pretty cool. 

[35:42] Yeah, you know, and it’s very interesting because I think that’s kind of the big thing. 
I’ve always looked for a good Braille display and see, I would love one personally that I could just put near my Mac that is just a line of Braille, like, or, you know, two or three lines of braille, that’d be nice too. 
But no buttons, maybe thumb keys, but no routing buttons, no nothing. 
I don’t wanna edit, don’t wanna do anything with it, just want to use it for reading. 
Uh, and I feel like even like the, um, some of the smaller devices that I’ve seen are way too big to almost be like if you wanted a, well, pocket-sized Braille device, pocket Braille. 
They’re all a little too big for that. And so I feel like we just don’t have, a good size for that, but I think what’s really happening is we’re trying to get one size fits all with these computers and Braille. 
I mean, anything to get people to use Braille is the way I look at it. 
But I think that the options for Braille is very limited. And I think that this is just going to add that one more king size, candy bar to the assortment of candies. 
You know, just was Easter. So, you know, candies. 

[37:07] It just adds one more mix. To the mix of devices, and I think that’s a good thing. 
Choice is always a good thing when people are looking at devices to purchase and I think that this is going to be a good device. 
You know, I think that other devices were too, the Elbrail and the Pacmate were too static as to what they did. 
So I think that this is going to be a very dynamic, very modular, very innovative device that I think people are going to really enjoy, as long as the longevity and the pricing can keep up with it. 
Yes, and we hope for good support too, because I think that’s some of the problem too with some other devices where people get them, they’re all excited, but when they run into problems,it’s pretty slow going to get resolution. 
Right. 

[38:14] You know, I think it’s just time is going to tell where we go from here and we’ll just have to really watch it. 
But I think the interesting thing is that we’ve decided, I think from this podcast, we’ve decided this is going to be a useful thing and we’re going to be able to really from it, but it’s just going to have to be one of those wait and see things. 
With any of these big projects like this, I just worry that people invest a lot of money. 
I still don’t know anything, and if you guys do, I’d be very curious. 

[38:56] We don’t know anything about what’s going to happen with Envision with their glasses because the Google Glass was discontinued. 
So what does that look like for the future of the Envision users? 
I know they’re going to probably have to look for more hardware choices, but you know, those are always big things to worry about and to think about, you know, what happens if themanufacturer stops making the item. 
So yeah, it’s, I think it’s as those of us who are enthusiastic, you know, tech enthusiasts, we sometimes pay the price for being on that leading edge. 
It’s like, oh no, this didn’t work out too well, but it sounded really cool. 
But I have high hopes for this. 
I think, especially if the display can be removed and used in other ways, and then—or left in and used in all sorts of ways—I just think that gives it a whole range of motion that maybe wasn’t available before. 
In previous kinds of iterations like this. 
Exactly. I agree. Do you have any thoughts on this, Michael? 

[40:11] I’m just intrigued to see where it goes. I think technology, I think accessibility being in the mainstream form, like in the mainstream of technology is just going to result in positive changes for all of us. 
And I think we just all need to have a voice during that change to ensure that everyone is accounted for when accessibility is brought up. 

[40:35] I agree and you know i think we brought it up on the show before but it feels like accessibility in mainstream. 
Is still very prevalent but i feel like you know with blind shell and other devices were starting to see the specialist companies take a big seat back at the table and say. 
Look you’ve gone the mainstream route it works for some but it doesn’t work for everybody so let’s. 
Combine mainstream and AT and see what we can do with it. Wouldn’t you guys agree? Definitely. Yes. 
I think that’s where we’re seeing the most power out of all this is, when we combine all of these things together, like Android on the blind shell, or framework with the Optima, or things like that. 
That’s where the intersection of mainstream and specialist or assistive technology is really going to change the industry. 
You know, and we even see that with Be My Eyes and OpenAI. I’m still very excited to try that out. Me too. Me too. 
You know, Be My Eyes, if you’re listening, my email is. 
I want to I want to throw this out at you guys, because there’s something I don’t think anybody on any podcast has really thought about with that technology. 
And it might blow your mind. 
So Taylor and I go bowling every Sunday. 

[42:01] And what is the most inaccessible of thing about bowling? Entering your name on that stupid machine. 
Entering your name, but also viewing your scores. And why is that? 

[42:18] Because it’s all visual. It’s all visual, but it’s a huge table. 
Ah, right. It’s a huge table that shows frame by frame what the score is in the total at the end. 
It’s like a big spreadsheet. 
Now how can OCR, typical OCR technology, even come close to interpreting that? Yeah, exactly. 
Exactly. You get a couple of pictures of that table, tell Be My Eyes to give me the score for Taylor and break it down frame by frame and it will give you each frame how much she scored and what her total score is. 
So, and it’s very like with the, what we were talking about with bowling, you know, you could ask, be my eyes to look at and say, like you’re saying, Michael, uh, what is Taylor’s score in the eighth frame? 
And, you know, that’s powerful stuff. And that kind of goes back to what we were saying with the intersection of mainstream and AT really coming together, because I never thought about that until last weekend when I thought, you know, I bet being my eyes would be fantastic for this. 
Mm-hmm. 

[43:32] Well, it’s not my pick, but I will say SGPT gives you a glimpse into how things can be, processed with GPT and then handed back to your phone. 
And all of that data can be, can be presented to the user in an easy to consume audible way. And that’s just with version 3.5 of GPT. 
So I, uh, yeah, uh, again, be my eyes. My email address is, have you used SGPT, Michael? 
I, it is a everyday tool that I’m using. Yes. I need to use it. 
I need to try. Yes you do. Yes you do. Me too. Yes you do. 

[44:11] Well, but I think you’re going to try out my pick first. Just saying. 
Well, with all that being said, let’s move on to that. So Michael, do you want to go and give us your pick and where people can find you online? 
Certainly appreciate that. My pick is a wonderful tool called Mac GPT. 
And I don’t know if you’ve played with this yet, Michael, you do have to create an API key and I followed the directions that Federico provided in the SGPT article. 
Yeah, that’s right. 
I actually read an entire article before going and doing something and everything’s working well. 
The reason I like SGPT is for the inline ability. So I can be in drafts or in email and by default it uses the plus but I switched mine to slash because that works with my workflow better. 
So I type slash GPT space and then the prompt. For example, write me a professional but casual email that lets this person know that we appreciate their feedback. 
However, unfortunately, the workflow that we have for our chapter meeting is going to be this moving forward. Hit shift enter. 
Take your hands off the keyboard, wait about 30 seconds and you have a email you just delete the prompt off the top and there’s your email and you do it right there inside the mail. 
Again, that’s with the Mac GPT. 
Just Google that real quick and you can get it. You can find me at payom, P-A-Y-O-W-M on any of your favorite social networks. 
Check out Unmute, Present, and Technically Working wherever you’re getting this podcast out. 

[45:37] And you’ll find me after this episode downloading MacQPT. All righty then. 

[45:43] Jason, what is your pick and where can people find you online? 
Sure, my pick for today is something that helps me a lot in the financial aspect of my productivity and it is called Debit and Credit. 
It’s a Mac and iOS app, helps with all finances, finances, keeping track of your expenses, does all sorts of other things that I haven’t played with yet because I’m still pretty new with it. 
But I’ve actually replaced the Checkbook Pro app that I was using. 
I loved it, but it was Mac only. This is Mac and iOS. And if you perform an operation, it syncs across to your other devices. So it’s very easy for me to jot down an expense while I’m out. 
I don’t have to worry about trying to remember it when I get back home. 
And you can find out more about the app from debitandcredit.app. 
You can find me, Jcast, on Facebook, Jcast432 on Mastodon, and Jcast is spelled J-C-A-S-T. 
And I’m also Jcast on Twitter. 

[46:58] Fantastic. And, you know, I have to throw this in here because he came and crashed the party, the podcast party. 
We have Jeff Bishop with us and, hey Jeff. 
Hey guys, I know I figure you know, I figure I should at least come late to the party right right, As long as there’s still food left over, right? 
There’s food left over but none for you. Jeff. I see you just wanted to come and share your pay. 

[47:29] Yeah, well, you know I was kind of working you know, it’s one of those things yeah, So yeah Since you are here. Um, do you have a pick for us and where people can find you online? 
I do actually and you know, I am a big proponent of Supporting the developers that do the right thing, right? We know that that accessibility is really important and inclusion and and,Making sure that apps are accessible and all of that. And one of the things that’s also really important is, Health and doing things for our health. Well, there’s a new version of gentler streak that’s out. 

[48:06] You know about this app guys. No, I do not Yeah, well it is a app that really simplifies tracking of health data and it presents it to you in a way that’s really more human understandable. 
And they have gone through and made both their watch and iOS apps fully accessible both for low vision and for voiceover users. 
So much so that I went ahead and bought a lifetime subscription to the app. 
So yeah, it’s good. I really, really like it. I’m just really starting to use it. 
And it’s got a little bit of a learning curve to it, although it kind of guides you through the process. 
It sort of will start examining your health data and it asks you about your specific goals and then it gives you prompts and guidance on what it thinks you might want to do. 
And it’s really, I think it’s all said in the name. It’s a gentler approach to exercise and health. 

[49:08] So if you haven’t taken a look at it, give it a try. I think you’ll be really impressed, especially if you’re using a voiceover or a lot of the low vision features on your iPhone. 
So that’s my pick. You can find me on all kinds of places, Twitter and Mastodon and all kinds of things. 
But best way and probably the quickest way to reach me via email, jeff at jeffbishop.com. That’s probably the easiest and quickest way and probably the one that you’ll remember most quickly. So jeff at jeffbishop.com. Thanks guys. 
Thanks Jeff, and I’m sure I’ll be talking to you tomorrow morning about a certain TV show that we talked about on last IACAST. Oh don’t even get me started on that. Oh my god. 
Oh, I know. I can’t wait. I will be up tonight. I have a meeting until 1030 tonight, and then I will stay up for half an hour, and I’ll stay up to midnight watching episode nine. 
Yes, episode nine. It’ll be great. 
Yes, it kills my productivity early in the morning when I get to work, but that’s all right. 
It’s worth it. It is. It very much is. 
So and Jeff, stick around, because I think you’re going to enjoy my pick for this episode. 
And that is, there’s a little story to it. 
We’ve started with the Eero 6 routers, and I love Eero, great routers. 

[50:27] But because of our apartment and the saturation of Wi-Fi and whatever they build these walls out of, we don’t get full saturation of internet throughout our apartment. 
And so we thought, well, let’s try something else. So we tried the Google Nest Wi-Fi Pro. 
Don’t do that, don’t do it. It had worse reception in the apartment. 
And so I said, let’s go back to what we know mostly works. 
And so we got the Eero 6e Pro routers. We got a two-pack. 
It says it’s supposed to cover up to 4,500 square feet, which sort of, I guess if you have line of sight and not as much Wi-Fi saturation, it will do much better. 
But these do a much better job. they’re bigger than the other Eros I’ve seen. 
They look just like the smaller Eros. 
But you get that Ero Plus subscription that is fantastic, one password, and encrypt.me and all these other things. They come with Ero and you get more control over your network than you do with the Google routers. 

[51:37] Just always a huge fan of the Eero’s and the pros, both the base station and the extender, have ethernet ports unlike the regular Eero 6’s. So and come to find out the Eero 6 only had 500 megabits per second that they guaranteed these go up to a gigabit of Wi-Fi. So you know the one thing thing I like about Eero, I look at the Ubiquiti stuff, it’s hard to find in stores, it’s hard to get your hands on. So Eero, they got them there the same day from Amazon, it works with the A-Lady, just a very good experience. I’ve always had good luck with them. So huge fan, check out Eero Pro 6E routers. They are the more expensive ones, but they will do a really good job at giving you the internet you need and you can hardwire into them and just fantastic routers. 

[52:39] Did you get the 25% off coupon by trading in any Amazon device? 
I did not, but there was a discount that they were doing already on them, so I did get somewhat of a discount. 
Okay, okay. Because you could turn in an old first generation Echo Dot and get 25% off a three pack of the six E’s. Wow, I didn’t know that. Yeah. Wow, that’s really neat. So if you’re out there listening, that’s a very good deal that Jeff just mentioned. So good stuff. I’m such a fan of Eero devices, and they have, you know, that dynamic DNS where you can set up your home network with a with DNS that won’t change. And you can do all those things with that plus subscription that you pay yearly for. 
And it’s just fantastic. great, great deal. 

[53:33] So, as for people can find me online, I’m Mike Doeys on most of the socials, Mastodon, MikeDoeys.social, sorry, the other thing’s my website. 
And you can find me on Twitter, Mike Doeys, and I’m on Facebook as Michael Doeys all over the place. 
So, you know, it’s easy to find me and you can email me at MikeDoeys at iCloud.com
And check out my other show, Programmatic. I record usually Friday nights and it’s out the next week. 
We just did episode five and we’ll record episode six this Friday. 
So very excited about that. 
And a lot of good things. So we talked about our apps, you know, iAccessibility and Pocket Braille all out. 
So really a lot of news this week and it’s been a great show. 
So I want to thank Michael, Jason, and our party crasher, Jeff, for coming this time. 
It’s been great having all of you guys and we’ll see you all in about two weeks. So thanks everyone. 

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Unmute Presents – Echo Devices With A Screen

In this episode of the Unmute podcast, the host Marty and his guest Lucy discuss the Amazon Echo Show and its features. The Echo Show has a screen, camera, and a screen reader called Voice View built into it, which enables those who are blind to use the device. The screen allows users to access YouTube videos, watch Netflix, and Hulu, and identify products by holding them up to the camera through a feature called show and tell. The Echo Show comes in different sizes ranging in price from $39 to $260, and the different models are distinguished by the size of the screen. The Voice View screen reader can be activated by asking the device to enable it or by holding down the reset button and placing two fingers on the screen. The gestures used to navigate the screen are similar to those used on a smartphone. The Echo Show can also be used to call into Zoom meetings and can be hooked up to smart home devices. The hosts recommend purchasing the Echo Show on Amazon and suggest considering the size of the screen when choosing the model. The episode ends with Lucy sharing her email address for any questions or feedback.

Transcript:

[MUSIC]

>> Hey all, Marty here,

and we are back with another Unmute episode.

Today we have our good friend Lucy back,

and she’s going to be talking with us about

a lady and all of that fun stuff.

So Lucy, how are you doing?

>> I’m great. I’m excited.

This is going to be fun.

>> So what are we going to be talking about today?

Today we are going to talk about the Echo Show and what you can do with it.

Awesome. Sounds great. So take it away.

Okay. So there are quite a few things you can do with this device that you can’t do with the other

lady A devices. And the reason is that it has a screen, a camera, and a screen reader built into it

called voice view. And that’s for those of us who are blind, who can’t see what’s on the screen.

And so we can enable that and have it read to us what’s on the screen.

So the the you call it the screen view.

Is that what you called it?

What did the screen reader was?

What was it called?

Voice View.

Voice View.

And that’s the screen reader, correct?

Yep.

Awesome.

OK, cool.

All right.

So in a little bit, I will attempt

to demonstrate some of the cool things I’ve

learned about the device.

But we all know how demonstrations go

when we want them to go well.

Yeah, definitely.

Good luck.

Yeah, I know, I’m just saying. So first, let me just talk a little bit about what this device is.

It’s obviously an Amazon Echo device, and it’s also called Alexa, or as I like to call them

in my other shows, I do Lady A. So.

Now, these come in different sized screens, is that correct?

Yep.

  • Yep.

  • So you could get a, you know, depending on your needs,

you can get different size screens, right?

  • Yeah, let me, yeah,

I’ll talk about that in just a second.

So like I said, there are two features

that distinguish this.

And one is that it has a screen and a camera

and this allows you to perform quite a few things

that you can’t do on the other Echo devices.

For example, you can access YouTube videos,

You can watch Netflix and Hulu if you have those accounts

or Amazon Prime Video if you are a Prime member.

And you can also do what is called show and tell.

And it will identify products by holding it up to the camera

and reading the barcodes.

And you can even call into Zoom meetings with this device.

However, this is kind of difficult

and I’ve only had minimal success with it.

The other feature that distinguishes the Echo Show from the other Echo devices is that it has the built-in screen reader apart from the one that allows all the other devices to talk.

And this is called Voice View, like I said.

So there are currently several different models of the show, and all of these have different generations of them because they come out with new ones all the time.

So the way that these are distinguished

is the size of the screen.

So we have the Echo Show 5, which is the smaller one,

the Echo Show 10, and the newest one that I know about

is the Echo Show 15.

And so they come in different colors

and they range in price from like the five inch one

I found today for $39, which is kind of cool.

  • Wow, that’s cheap.

  • Yup, and the 15 inch one,

the most expensive one I saw was $260.

And this one comes with Amazon Fire TV built into it

and it has a remote and all that cool stuff.

So, and so obviously the difference of all these models

in this is in the size of the screen.

And I think also the quality of the camera.

And I have the eight, the first generation.

And as far as I know,

mine can do most of what the others can do,

except the newer ones also have

an indoor security camera feature

and it has motion detection,

but I don’t really know about these things

because I don’t have that on mine.

So I don’t know about them.

So they have a camera, like I said,

which can be turned on and off.

And a lot of people like to keep their camera off

because of privacy issues and things like that.

They think that Amazon is watching them, I don’t know.

  • Doesn’t it come with like a little cover

that you can like put over the camera

if you really are that uncomfortable with it?

  • Or it has a switch also that you can turn off.

I don’t know about a cover, it might,

but I don’t know about that.

but you can turn off the switch.

  • Well, that’s good.

At least they are thinking about people’s privacy

and how uncomfortable it would be.

So that’s cool that they implement that.

  • Yeah.

So when you get these and set them up,

it starts speaking in a female voice,

but you can change it to a male voice if you want to,

like with all of the devices,

you can do that with a simple command.

I don’t particularly like the male voice,

but it’s just a matter of preference, I guess.

So, and I think I said this on my prior podcast episode

that there are five wake words that you can use

for all these devices and they are Alexa,

Amazon, Echo, Ziggy and computer.

And mine happens to be called computer

that I’m working with today.

So I have five devices and so I’ve used all the wake words.

So I guess that means I can’t buy anymore.

  • Yep, you’re done.

Once you use all the wake words,

it’s time to take a break, right?

  • Yep, I guess so.

So the Voice View screen reader that I talked about

can be activated in two different ways.

First by just asking the device to enable it.

And also you can manually hold down the reset button

and place two fingers on the screen.

And I can’t seem to get that to work,

but anyway, just saying.

Okay, so let me see if we can

demonstrate a couple of these things.

So let’s do the show and tell

and see if it can read this product that I have.

  • Cool, sounds good.

  • Computer, tell me what I’m holding.

  • Let’s see.

(upbeat music)

I think that’s sparkling ice water. For more info on this product, say, computer, details.

Computer details?

Zero sugar. Sparkling ice coconut pineapple is a fruity.

Flavorful sparkling water made with zero sugar. Each bottled water contains only five calories

for guilt-free refreshment. Better for you ingredients.

Made with colors from natural sources. Sparkling ice is made with better for you ingredients

and bursting with real-

Okay, stop. Okay. Yeah, so that was pretty good.

Definitely.

Some things are not as easy. All right, let’s try one more thing. Computer, what am I holding?

Let’s see. Remember to hold your item about a foot above

the countertop and centered with the camera. Yeah.

I read the following words, non-GMO, sweeteners water infused with clementine essence, water

and.

Yeah, but let’s try it one more time.

Computer, what am I holding?

Let’s see.

It looks like dugout mugs.

No, no, no, no.

Sugar jets.

Let’s see.

All right, one more time.

Computer what am I holding?

Let’s see

It looks like retro deco solidus no, that’s certainly not right well gee

I got it to read this one earlier. It was hint water

Time flavor yeah

And now it won’t read it so darn it. What is it looking for this the barcode on the item you’re holding well

Well, you know, I thought so, but then other times it does read some things on the label.

So I have tried it with documents to see if it can be like an OCR and I haven’t really

had any success with that.

So I am not really sure to tell you the truth.

It’d be interesting because one thing I would be curious to know is if it is looking, for

example, for the barcode, if you can’t see the item you’re

holding, you would just have to kind of turn the item around

until hopefully the device picks up whatever it’s looking for.

And that’s what I was doing. And, and the first time you use

this particular skill, they have a tutorial that you can access

and it tells you exactly what you need to do in order for it

to read this, you do have to know where the camera is, and it’s in the upper right hand

corner of my device. And so, you know, you have to center it with the camera and do all

kinds of turning and up and down motions. And it will tell you, you know, if it’s not

seeing it, remember to move the item up and down or remember to hold it a foot from the

device and whatever. So the reason I think that it does read the barcodes is because

it said for more details, you know, say more details. So and I think that it was giving the

details listed probably from the barcode. Right. So that’s what I think. But I…

That or maybe it was doing what you were saying is maybe it is reading the text on

the face of the item. So maybe it can do both. I don’t know. Yeah, I guess we’ll figure it out

some point or another, right? Yeah. So anyway, it’s interesting. And, you know, I’ve had

limited success, sometimes better than others. I don’t know if it has to do with the lighting,

probably. Probably has a lot to do with it. But anyway, so, you know, that’s something that you

kind of play with and practice with. So it’s kind of cool if you live alone and you don’t have

anybody to help you read something and you need to know what something is.

Yeah, that’s great actually.

You don’t label things like me.

Yeah.

All right. Okay. So let’s see about this voice view thing here. Computer enable voice view.

It must be on the e-

Oh, there it goes.

Three unread messages.

46 degrees.

Mostly sunny.

Discovery.

Huh, unread messages from what?

OK.

I don’t know, but let’s see what we’re doing here.

Dropping to find out if food is ready to feast on.

Say hello.

Try computer.

Dropping on the kitchen.

Now is that on the screen?

Is that how you’re able to navigate?

Yeah.

And the gestures are very similar to those on a smartphone.

or tablet, the flicking and double tapping and things like that.

And from what I understand, it it appears to be a lot like

the Android screen readers that talk back.

Is that it?

Android’s talk back. Yes. Yes, I thought. So.

So let’s just see computer.

Open Prime Video.

Here’s Prime Video.

Okay, so let’s see what’s on this screen.

Back button Harlem season 2 Amazon Originals Prime Movies Prime TV Shows Prime TV Shows

Back button The Power season 1 No Traces ZDZ Jones in the 6th season 1 Carnival Row season

2

[BLANK_AUDIO]

>> The back prime TV show, back button.

>> All right, let’s see.

>> Back button, Harlem sees Amazon Prime Movies.

>> So just using finger gestures to swipe on the screen.

>> Yep, I’m flicking to the right on the screen and then I double tap on TV show.

and read a few of those.

Now I just double tapped on movies.

  • Oh, cool.

So the gestures are very much like a smartphone.

  • Yes.

  • Reggie, read two.

Creed, die hard.

Mrs. Harris goes to Paris.

  • Let’s just double tap on that.

  • Loading.

  • Okay, so yeah, you can watch movies

and all that good stuff.

  • Cool.

  • So yeah, and you can open YouTube on there

and you can search for things,

whatever you want on YouTube by using,

when you hit the search button for YouTube,

an edit box appears and a keyboard pops up.

So you have your letters

And you can change the way you type on the keyboard

just as you can on a smartphone by touching the letter

and then double tapping it to activate it

or just swiping around and finding the letter

and taking your finger off and that will activate it.

That’s how I have mine set up.

  • Oh, cool.

I think it’s great that they keep the gestures

very similar to a smartphone

so that it’s not a huge learning curve

if you’re already familiar with a screen reader

on a smartphone.

So that’s pretty cool.

  • Yeah, it is very cool.

So like I said, you can also call into Zoom meetings with it.

It’s kind of clunky because when you open Zoom,

you have to put in the meeting ID

and then the password for the meeting.

And so I have been able to get into a couple of meetings,

but I wouldn’t, I don’t know, I wouldn’t recommend it.

It’s just, you know, it’s kind of-

  • So just out of curiosity,

let’s say that you received an email

and in the email it was click here to join the meeting

and you click that, would it automatically open or no?

  • No, no, at least not that I’m aware of.

You have to have the meeting ID and yeah,

Okay, well.

Yep. But, you know, at least it can be done. So yeah, so that’s about it, actually, that

is different from, you know, the regular devices. There are some games and skills that are,

are just for the Echo Show devices.

Maybe next month I can talk about some of those.

Yeah, that would be really great.

I’m sure people would love to hear about the skills.

Yeah.

A lot of people are always wondering,

what are they and how do they work

and how could they benefit them?

That would be great for next time we can

definitely dive into the world of skills.

Oh yeah, there’s just thousands of them.

Yeah.

So if people wanted to take a look at and pick up one of these devices, where would

they find them?

Well, the best place would be Amazon.com.

And in the search feature, just type in Echo Show.

And there you will find all of the different sizes that we talked about and the price range.

And like I said, there are different generations of them.

I think the newest one of the eight and 10 are second generations.

And the five, I think is third generation by now.

So, um, you know, um,

is there anything people should be looking for when they go to kind of decide if they

want to pick one of these up, which would be kind of the best one for their needs?

Well, I guess, you know, depending on what you’re going to use the screen for, if you

have some vision, you might want to choose one of the ones with the larger screen because

that will give you, you know, a bigger field.

But like me, I didn’t really care and I don’t know why I bought the eight.

I don’t know why I did that, but I could have, you know, easily gotten the five and been

perfectly happy with it. But, but yeah, I think that’s really the only thing and just what you

want it to do if you get the newer one, if you want the motion detection and the inside security

camera. That’s another thing that I don’t care about. But

and you could actually, if you had an outdoor, like a ring doorbell, which is also made by Amazon,

you could make it so the screen on your A-lady could see the camera and the outside.

Yeah.

Yeah, that’s cool.

That’s really cool, I think.

Very cool. Yeah. And I mean, you can hook up all your smart home devices to this,

just like you can with all the Amazon devices, Alexa devices.

Prime movies.

Oh, be quiet.

I said…

Well, that is awesome. So everyone, if you want to go and take a look at these,

check them out on Amazon. And if you decide to get one, you’ll have to let us know how it goes.

And Lucy, if people want to get ahold of you or see more about what you’re doing,

how can people find you? All right. You can email me at elucy4083@gmail.com.

And let me know what you think of the device if you happen to buy one, or if you have any questions,

that I probably won’t be able to answer. No, I’m just kidding. So yeah, that’s it.

All right. Well, thanks so much, Lucy, for coming and giving us an A-Lady update,

and we appreciate it. And we’re looking forward to seeing you next month and talking

all about skills. So thanks, everyone. Have a great one, and we’ll see you next time.

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April 11 2023

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– Programmatic Update Caution

Episode Notes

On this episode Michael discusses the following topics.

Challenge Results

Python

import feedparser

def parse_rss_feed(url):
feed = feedparser.parse(url)
titles = []
for entry in feed.entries:
titles.append(entry.title)
return titles
rss_url = “https://iaccessibility.net/feed
titles = parse_rss_feed(rss_url)
for title in titles:
print(title)

Shell Script

hash !/bin/sh
rss_url=”https://iaccessibility.net/feed
titles=$(curl -s “$rss_url” | xmlstarlet sel -t -m “//item/title” -v . -n)
echo “Titles:”
echo “$titles”

Topics

Michael discusses whether to update a project’s sdk or APIs to newer or updated versions. For example, going from UIKit to SwiftUI.

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Unmute Presents – Navigating the Blind Shell Classic 2: Exploring Notifications and Menu Options

In this episode, we explore the Blind Shell Classic 2 and how to navigate it. We start by discussing how to check for notifications, including a high-pitched beep that indicates when you’re at the bottom or top of a menu option. We also cover how to use the number pad to cycle through options and how to delete notifications.

Throughout the episode, we provide step-by-step instructions on how to access and navigate the various menu options on the Blind Shell Classic 2. We also share some tips and tricks for using the device, such as pressing and holding the back button to hear new notifications.

Whether you’re new to the Blind Shell Classic 2 or a seasoned user, this episode is a great resource for anyone looking to improve their navigation skills and get the most out of their device.


Transcript:

[Music]

On the Blind Shell Classic 2, if you press and hold the back button, you’ll hear something like

[Music]

One new notification, 7.18 pm.

That tells me that I have one new notification, the time and the fact that I am back at my home screen.

In most places on the phone, you can press the top left button to hear something like

[Music]

One new notification, one of six.

You hear that there are six options.

We’ll use the number pad and tap the numbers two through six to cycle through the options.

7 18 PM Friday, wifi state, not connected.

Bluetooth enabled, no connected devices.

Signal strength, 50% 4g battery state, 100% six of six.

So that high-pitch beep means that you are at the bottom or top of a menu option.

I want to go back up and see my notifications.

We’ll press number one.

One new notification.

One of six.

We’ll press okay.

Message sending to five, four, one, four, three, five, one of two.

And though I only have one notification, it said one of two, because if you press

the last option that’s available or the up button once, delete all two of two, you

can press okay to delete all.

No item.

No notifications.

One of six.

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April 4 2023

Transcript

[0:01] This is an ACB Community Call, presented by American Council of the Blind.

[0:10] Music.

[0:17] This Unmute Presents Community Call was hosted on Tuesday, April 4th, 2023, and I did something a little different to the podcast file.
Did you notice? The opinions expressed on the ACB media network are those of the content providers and should not be viewed as an endorsement of any product or service, nor does it reflect the views of the American Council of the Blind, its elected officials or its staff.
Hello everyone and welcome back to another Unmute. We wanna remind everyone here at the top, we wanna have everyone have their first questions answered.
So we’ll get through all the hands first. And once we get through everyone’s first go around, we will take second hands.
Also remember to be respectful to everyone as you would want your question respected as everyone else. So be kind.

[1:08] Also, we have a big announcement today. We wanna let you know that on the 18th of April, we’re gonna be having a special event with Script Talk.
They’re gonna be coming and demonstrating their devices and talking about how you can get involved in getting a Script Talk for yourself, if that’s something that you want or need.
So that’s gonna be April 18th right here. So stay tuned for that.
And as always, if you need to get ahold of us, you can reach us at feedback at unmute.show for questions, comments, or anything else.
And Michael, what do you got for us today? I always have something as Marty mentioned, raise your hand if you have a question, we’ll get to your questions in a moment.
Actually we have a hand raised right now, just so you know.

[1:53] All right, thank you very much, Patricia. Appreciate that. I do want to go back and let people know that on Sunday, Marty and I chatted with you briefly about the new voice isolation functionality, which is one of the several new features available in iOS 16.4 that was released on last Monday.
And then on Thursday, we sat down and we chatted about multi-factor authentication with my friend Damasi and talked about the different types of multi-factor authentication.
He did a, in my opinion, great job at breaking down why you need to use multi-factor authentication and some things that you might want to be aware of, especially when you’re wondering, well, what’s right for me?
What do I need to use with the tools that are available to me?
And then we did also break down that elucid YubiKey, which is something we often talk about.
And that’s available on the Unmute Presents podcast feed.
Last thing that I will mention before we jump in and ask Patricia who our first hand is, Because we…

[2:58] Have a new thing and I will personally shout out the first person who goes over,
Keyboards

[3:03] and connects with us over there cause we’re going to start pushing it more.
So if you’ve, if you have an Instagram account, you’re interested in Instagram, we have no content over there right now. Uh, but the first person who follows us there, I will say hi to you. And uh, yeah, that’s, that’s all I got for that. So Patricia, who do we have first on the list today?
All right, Jewel, you are first up. Go ahead.
Hi, Joel. Nice. Hi. I have a question I’m not sure that you can help with since it’s a keyboard command question for iOS.
I switched from an iOS, from iPhone SE to an iPhone 12, like I mentioned.
And when I did so, the voiceover command switched on me.
So it was control option, so the far left and the one right to the left of the spacebar, but now it’s using the one to the left of that, the first and the third keys.
And I’m wondering if there’s a way to change that back, because it’s still doing the same with the old phone, but it’s doing this new command with the new phone.
And it’s driving me nuts because I’m so used to the other command.
I wonder, because I’ve had this happen to me on the keyboard before, and all keyboards can be different.
Is your keyboard specifically in iOS mode?

[4:25] It is a Logitech K380. So I don’t know that it is specifically in iOS mode, but it’s the same keyboard with both phones.
Right. That’s strange. I’m not changing anything between the two phones.
Yeah, I’ve not heard of that. So what you’re saying is like the command and option keys are swapped on the other phone?
Yeah. So with the SE, it’s the one, the far left was control, and the one just to the left is a space bar.
But with the, 12, it moves over to the third key, which is the one to the left of that other one that’s being used, which I thought was the function key. So it’s confusing me. Yeah. Unfortunately, I’m not 100% sure on that one. If someone else has an idea, Marty, do you have an idea? Because I don’t.
The only thing I could suggest is or ask, I would say is both phones are updated to this equal same operating systems and all that good stuff? Yes, both are on 16.4. Hmm. This is Chanel.

[5:27] Yeah. So one thing you can actually do is use the caps lock key and that should work irregardless of the keyboard layout, regardless of what they’ve changed, you know, the bottom look keys to, um, by default voiceover, you know, is set to use both caps lock and control an option. I, Well, I don’t know if it’s that way on iOS, but I would think and Caps Lock is, you know.

[5:53] I use that on my Mac all the time and I know it works on iOS as well.
Okay. Either way, it will take some adjustment. Do you know if the Caps Lock, if I use that, is it going to affect how Caps Lock works?
You just double, you just double tap the capsock real quick.
And like Chanel, I use it on my Mac as well, because a lot of the web apps that you come across will use control option as modifiers.
So that way you don’t have to do control option tab followed by control option in the keystroke.
And so you can navigate web apps. So that’s a, thank you for bringing that up Chanel, but yes, that might be.
And then that will, as you said, work consistently across.
Navigation

[6:34] And I do believe by default, it will work without having to make any changes. So thanks Julie.
Thank you. Before we go on to the next question, I do want to say that about 90 seconds ago, Blaine Anthony followed us on Instagram. So I promised I would shout out whoever followed us. So if you are Blaine, thank you for following us and being the first follower. Who do we have next, Patricia?
Next we have Desi. Go ahead.
Hi Desi. How’s it going?
Good morning, Michael, Marty, and everybody. As everybody has probably heard, I’m heading to Nauseam by now.
I am moving from Phoenix to Franklin, Tennessee, toward the end of the month.
And I’m going to be needing to learn a lot more routes that are very unfamiliar to me at this point.

[7:21] And I do have Bose Frames to use with any of the GPS apps that I might decide to use.
But I’m just really kind of looking for an opinion on what is the best GPS type app to use for getting walking direction routes that seem to be reasonably accurate.
My first suggestion would be BlindSquare because you can set it to identify what’s around you as you’re walking.
So for example, you’re walking down a block and it will say, you know, 100 feet to your left is whatever coffee shop you know 200 feet to your right is once you figure out the area you can turn it off or tame it down so it has a lot of options to be able to to adjust how much information you wanted to yell at you or not yell at you.

[8:14] But that is a good one for a new area and definitely cruising around and figuring out what’s what.
You could even have it on while you’re driving around or maybe on a bus or in a cab or Uber Lyft, any of those things. And it’ll identify what’s around you.
And you’ll be able to get familiar without necessarily having to be walking everywhere.
So it has some good use cases for, you know, learning your way around the area.
Yeah, that’s good. And also, what about the Explore app from GoodMaps?
Has anybody used that?
Well, the thing about GoodMaps is, as far as I know, it’s indoors.
I think they do have one that’s outdoors also, but I just don’t know how good it is, actually. I’ve never used it.

[9:03] Well, I would assume, and you know what, assuming Mike got a person, but because Mike May’s involved with it, I would think that it’s probably pretty good since he’s a blind user himself.
But yeah, okay, well, thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Yeah, no problem. Good luck. And we’ll have to hear how it goes once you move and how it all goes.
The thing is, you know, contact your local, you know, whatever council of the blind or
Instagram

[9:34] whatever is in that area, get a mobility coach and have them teach you the routes you need to do while you’re there.
That’d be the best way to start out.
Yeah, well, while I’m there, it’s probably going to be pretty permanent.
So I’ll be there for a while.
So, there you go. Thanks a lot. Good luck. Thanks.
Before we go on to Sharon, are there any hands in Clubhouse?
There are, Herbie has his hand up.

[10:01] Okay. I’m mute.
And we’re just not hearing her be able to hear him in the other room.
Yeah, we’re not hearing. Are you hearing me now? Yes, we are.
OK, there we go. I need to know how to use my loopback anyway.
Can anybody teach me? They’re just kidding. So I was going to be good and not to say ask anything.
But then, Michael, you mentioned the I word Instagram. So I have two questions. One, you can easily answer, probably. And the other one is going to be a bit more involved.
A, how exactly do you follow somebody over on Instagram?
And B, how exactly do you use Instagram in the first place? Because I have that app and it’s always confused me quite a bit.

[10:45] So, let me be fully transparent with you there, Herbie. Firstly, to follow someone, if you, there is a search edit field, I believe that you can type in their username.
And then one of the first elements on their actual profile is going to be a follow button.
Or when I went and followed Blaine, I hit the, it actually said follow back because they were already following us.
I don’t know about using Instagram and I will endeavor to share some thoughts slash tips next week if someone reminds me, because I will forget, because I am using this as an opportunity to learn to use Instagram myself and hopefully reach a wider audience and experiment with it.
So I will share my findings with you in the future, Herbie.
All right, so is that the search under the followers and following, or is there a different search? I believe that is the correct search. Yes.
Updates and Reading

[11:36] And then are you under unmute presents? Yes. If you just search unmute presents, all one word, you should find it right away.
All one. That’s what I did wrong. Okay. Yep. All one word.
Cause Instagram works a lot like your other social media.
Right. You can use at to tag people. So it’s at unmute presents all one word.
All right. Very good.
I was lucky to get that.

[11:56] Who is next?
All right, next we have Sharon. Go ahead. Hi, everyone. First of all, I want to say thank you for the scroll bar tip that you gave.
Oh, yeah. No problem.
Yeah, that was really helpful. I’m using that all the time. So, I have two quick questions.
I don’t know if there’s a way to have Apple notify me when they’re going to do a minor update.
I just go in the settings and look periodically, but it seems weird to me that they don’t have a notification for that.
And the other thing is, I got a summary, a news summary from CNN every morning, and I do a two-finger swipe down very gently to get it to start, but every once in a while, I lose it and I get popped into Apple News, and then I can’t get back to it, and I don’t know what to do about it.
Well, addressing the first question about the notifications on updates, I would suggest following one of the big Apple websites.
You have a bunch of them, 9to5Mac’s really good, MacRumors is really good.

[13:06] They will always tell you when things come out pretty immediately and you’ll know right away.
They have a lot of other good information on there as well on a daily basis.
That’s typically what most people do. So that’s why Apple themselves don’t really do it all that much because everyone does it kind of for them.
So I would suggest- again on the website please. The first one I said was nine so it’d be like the number nine.

[13:31] Two and the number five so it’s nine t o five mac mac.com and just you could go on there and you’ll see they have tons of stuff if you have an rss reader you could put it in that another one I would suggest would be mac rumors they’re really good as well uh and there’s a bunch of others so Okay. Those two will get you where you need to go.
They got tons of great information and things like updates that are coming out.
They’ll tell you right away as soon as it comes out.
Okay. And then the other part about the news.
So were you trying to use the app switcher? I didn’t really get what you meant about the second you keep popping into news.
And then what happens? I’ve opened up a link to CNN. It has CNN morning news or whatever.
And I get over to where it starts to read heading one, and I want to read all, and I do two-finger swipe down, but if I do it too, not gently enough, somehow it jumps me out of it, and I’m back in Apple News, and I don’t know why.

[14:36] Yeah, I think you just got to be a little bit more cognizant about your gestures.
That’s the only thing I can really suggest. Michael, you got anything?
Yeah, go for it. Yeah. And this happens to me all the time. Sometimes when I do the flick down, the two finger flick down to read, it accidentally triggers the back gesture, like the scrub gesture to go back a previous page.
And I think that’s what’s going on for you. Oh. That happens to me all the time.
Windows Shutdown

[15:04] Okay. You’re not alone. So, and if that happens, how do you get back to where you were?
You pretty much just have to find it again.
There’s not really a forward. Yeah, it’s just kind of like, you know, noodling around it just to get yourself back.
It’s kind of unfortunate, but it’s kind of what we all have to do and different.
But I think that’s what’s happening for you.
Okay.
Have a good day. Yep. Thanks. Good luck to you. Thank you. Next, we have Beth. Go ahead. Hey, Beth.
How you doing? Yeah, I was wondering if this is a Microsoft question.
A lot of times I had a problem when I do Alt F4, it seems like my computer has not shut down.
So I then turn the power off and then try again, but it hasn’t been shutting down lately with Alt F4.
I don’t know if that’s a Microsoft question, if that’s what that is.
If… Yep.

[16:06] So I can help you with this, Beth. And I didn’t know that people were doing this.
So full transparency and I will help.
I’ll tell, explain to people what’s going on and then the best way to shut your computer down to make sure that it’s shut down.
It came to my attention probably about two or three weeks ago that a lot of times what people have been taught to do is to go to their desktop and then Alt F for it.
And then this pops up a dialogue that asks if you want to shut your computer down, restart, go to sleep, whatever you want to do.
And you press up. He doesn’t do that.
Right. So you press up arrow to shut down and you press enter.
What often happens at this point, if an application is open that’s preventing the computer from shutting down, you may not be notified dependent on the screen reader.
So what I suggest to people is after about 10-15 seconds, you sit there and wait for a second, press your Alt Tab key.
What’s going to happen is you’re going to see something that will set, well, you’ll be told something that will say something like, Notepad is preventing Windows from shutting down.
Then you can tab to the Okay button, and that will allow you to shut Windows down, and it will not save anything that you have in Notepad.

[17:20] If you tab to cancel and you press Cancel, that will cancel the shutdown process.
I think that’s what’s happening with you, Beth. So try after a couple of seconds after you hit Enter on Shutdown to Alt-Tab and see if there’s something that’s preventing it from shutting down.
Another way, if you don’t want, for people who are like, I don’t want to go to the desktop to Alt F4 out of the desktop, which it makes sense why people have been taught to do that because you quit applications with Alt F4.
So why not quit Windows with Alt F4? But Windows key plus X, like X-Ray, anywhere within Windows will pop up a menu.
And on this menu, you can go down to shut down or sign out is what it says. And it’s a submenu.
Press enter on that sub menu and you can go down to shutdown, restart, sign out, sleep, whatever you want to do.
That will allow you to do it right there from that menu as well.
Like with a lot of things in technology, there’s a lot of ways to accomplish things.
Hopefully, Unmute will be teaching a bit more about Windows in the near future.
Wink, wink. Yeah. I’m thinking of maybe with system access, It seems like they have these users for them, but if I have a problem, they don’t respond.

[18:38] Like, oh, no replies. I’m thinking of kind of in my head, kind of thinking of getting JAWS, because it seems more people know about JAWS like if I have problems.
System access. A lot of people don’t know about it. A lot of them do.
Yep. And I discovered too, if you pay $99, right, a year, that’s cheaper than getting JAWS than system access.

[19:04] So I have to think about that. Yeah, so JAWS does offer the home user license, which is $99 a year.
So that can be a lot more affordable too for some users.
Right. Yeah, because I’m just thinking system access has like bunch of described movies and shows And I’m wondering if you can do that with with jaws because I don’t want to get rid of something that you know I’m gonna miss like those shows like all in the family and some of those old.
Be My Eyes In Canada?

[19:36] Descriptive ones so those are separate from Jaws, so you would still need to pay for access to the Saro tech network in order to get access to those So yes, that is separate.
Okay. Okay, thanks. I’ll try that. Try that exiting and see how that works.
They’re shutting down.
Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Do we have any hand in clubhouse? We do.
Andrew, you can unmute and talk.
Thanks for bringing me up on stage.
I have a couple of questions. One is I just found an article a couple of weeks ago.
I think it was like March 14th in regards to Be My Eyes out of Denmark.
And their movement towards incorporating AI into their app.
And right now, at least according to the article, it will only be available in the UK and the US, I’m in Canada.
I’m just wondering, have you seen that? Are you familiar with it?
And is there any more information that I could gather about how that would work?
There was. Perhaps no. Yeah, actually, they are implementing it.
I’m not sure how long it’s going to take for them to get into all of the different countries, but they are currently working on implementing it.
The short version of this story is They were approached to use the software in their app, and they worked out something where.

[21:03] They’re not getting charged to use it.
There’s a great 30-minute story with those guys on Blind Abilities, which came out, I wanna say, about a week or two ago.
It’s probably pretty close to the top of the feed, but it’s a great conversation with them, and they give you the insider on the whole new app that’s coming out. So I would check that out and you’ll be able to hear probably most of what you’re looking for there.
Yeah, I appreciate that. The other quick question I had is, I recently got an iPhone 13 mini, and I find that and it seems to kind of almost remember a gesture. For instance, I might tap the phone once with two fingers and it turns off the speech. Or I might do another gesture and it’s not really performing that gesture, it’s scrubbing out the screen or what have you.
And I’ve increased the time interval between a double tap or what have you to what I think is appropriate. It seemed like that’s what I was doing on my other phones.
But it still seems to… It’s like you said, it’s almost like it remembers that I’ve tapped it once, and then if I tap it again, it’ll perform that double tap back or what have you.
I’m wondering if you’ve experienced that.

[22:25] What it sounds like to me is that you may be accessing or activating an action that might be on your rotor. You might want to go in and take a look at your rotor and see what’s on there.
And if there’s something that you want to stop it from doing when you’re using gestures on the the screen, you can just take things off the rotor, add things to the rotor. A lot of people will hit the rotor and not realize they hit it and then they activate something they didn’t mean to activate. So I would take a look at that and see if there’s something that’s happening
Changes in Zoom

[22:58] there and you can either eliminate or add things to the rotor.
Yeah, I’ve had that happen in terms of… It changes my English to whatever, a different voice and I’m like, okay, I get the road or somehow. So I’ll try to look at that and see if that may be causing. So I thank you very much. Appreciate you letting me speak.
Yeah, no problem. Have a great day. Good luck to you.
Okay, we do have some hands in June. But I want to make sure are we cleared in clubhouse? Darcy? We are. Okay, good. All right. So next we have Roberta followed by Rachel. Roberta, go ahead.

[23:31] Hi there. Um, I have a question about the zoom app on my iPhone using voiceover. I used to have in the upper left area of the screen, it would show my avatar or the avatar of the person speaking.
And that is not there anymore. Now I have a button that says tap to speak. Any thoughts?
It changes zoom way too often. And it’s like a grocery store. When you figure it out, they change it all around on you. I don’t know. Wait.
Yeah, I mean, I have not seen this. It might be worth looking at in your settings Why? Oh, I see. I see. Oh, so that’s how it works. Yeah, so that’s how it works.
At when you’re not in a Zoom meeting under meetings and see if there’s an option to always show I like that. Oh, and then you guys are going to be doing everything with us, right?
Yeah. And then, yeah, I’m going to be going back to my office.
I’m going to be doing all the work and doing all the stuff. And then, you know, I’m going to be doing a lot of stuff.
Keyboard on iPad

[24:14] The view that you want versus a tap to speak view So, yeah. So, yeah, I’m going to be doing all the work.
And then, I’m going to be going back to my office. And then, I’m going to be doing all the stuff.
Because that is strange and it sounds like a view got changed.
So, yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. So, I’m going to be doing all the work.
Now, in order to actually change settings in the Zoom application, when you’re not in a meeting on a mobile device, you do have to be signed into a Zoom account.
So if all you see is sign up or sign in, then go ahead and sign up or sign in, and then you should be able to modify any settings.
Okay, I’ll take a look. Thank you. Hey, Rachel, go ahead. Hello, my question is, I have a new iPad.

[24:49] And I don’t remember the model, so I apologize, but it is one of the newer ones.
And I have a Logitech keyboard that came with it. It’s part of the cover.
Um, my problem is when I hit the enter key, it is automatically putting me into the calendar.
Doesn’t matter if I’m in pages, typing, putting me into the calendar and my up and down, right, and left arrows are not working, are not working the way they are supposed to work.
Do I double tap each one of these or what am I doing wrong?
Um, so I, I might have something for you to try and Marty might as well.
But I’m gonna jump in here real quick with the arrow keys.
I don’t know why the enter key is dropping you into calendar, but it would be interesting if you press your left and right arrow keys together, does, and I don’t expect you to know right now,
AudioVault

[25:40] but try that and if voiceover says quick nav off, then try navigating and see if things work the way you expect them to.
Okay, and then how do I turn it back on again?

[25:52] That’s a toggle, so you simply press left and right arrow keys again. Okay.
Yep, give that a try and see if it helps with your navigation on iOS with a keyboard.
Gotcha. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Yeah, let’s give that a try and we’ll see if that works. Who do we have next, Trish?
We have Maria. Go ahead, Maria.
I’m sorry, it’s Marie. Marie, go ahead.
Hi, Marie. You are muted right now, I believe. Yes, she is.
Okay, I hit it again. I hit it twice, I guess. Okay, I have actually a comment for Beth and some other users.
There is a website called audiovault.net and it’s free and there are multitudes of both TV shows
Comment on phone

[26:35] and movies all audio described. They’re mp3 files and you can download a plethora of movies and TV shows for free. Perfect, well thank you. Again that’s audiovault.net correct? Correct. All right well we appreciate that and uh who do we have next there Trish? We have no one in Zoom. Is there any everybody in class.

[26:56] Not currently. Oh, righty. Whoa. Let’s go ahead and, uh, Marty, do you… Oh, go ahead, Trish.
We do. See, we appreciate it. All we have to do is say there’s no hands and then people raise their hand.
It’s that stuttering couple of seconds to fill that 10 seconds for someone to raise their hand.
Go ahead. That’s how it always works. Go ahead, Chanel. Yeah, sorry.
And then it, well, it took me a…
I’m on my phone and I’m not very good with finding things on the touch screen, but I But I just wanted to say, speaking of phone, if you have your phone set to receive automatic updates, that will also help.
Now, I know some people may not like to do that. I think it was Sharon who wanted to be able to know, you know, what Apple releases, even the minor updates.
And I would, for me personally, the best way to get that is to have automatic updates on.

[27:51] And your phone will notify you as well. when I just forget where I turn that on.
I can go look real quick, but I didn’t have a chance to look before.
I think it’s in. It is under settings, general software update, and there’s a checkbox to turn on automatic updates. Is that the one you’re talking about?
Yeah, that’s the one I’m talking about.
Yep, and in iOS 16.4, there’s also a separate checkbox there.
If you’re familiar with the Apple TV, this will be familiar for you.
Now, if you’re interested in getting beta software for your iPhone, You simply check the box that says that you want to get beta software.
And then there’s three radio buttons. There’s none, developer, and public.
If your phone is enrolled in the developer program, then you’ll get developer betas when they come out in June.
If you are getting the public betas, then you’ll get the public betas in July-ish, which
Homekit

[28:43] is what historically they’ve been available.
Or you can just skip all that beta nonsense and just wait until the new 17 comes out in September, but it’s a faster and easier way to be able to opt into Baydals now.
That’s a lot faster. And if you’ve never seen that before, it’s because it just came out in this last update.

[29:00] So that’s a new feature. Awesome. So you want to go turn that on if you’re interested.
Yeah, I’ll go check that out.
Who is next, Trish? All right, we have Jeff. Go ahead, Jeff.
Hey, Jeff, how’s it going?
Hey, it’s going well, good. I guess if I didn’t have a question, it would be going better. However…
This is only kind of loosely related to, you know, computer stuff.

[29:24] So I added a smart plug, it was successfully able to add it to the home app, used to be called HomeKit, I think.
And the switch itself, the plug, you know, I can tell the S-Lady to turn it on or off.
However, the item that I have plugged into it still needs me to use that app to do the powering on and off.
It sounds like all of the things that you have aren’t all compatible with the same system.
Yeah, like now it’s an AV receiver. So the only other thing I can think of is maybe there’s some sort of power limits or whatever.
Go ahead, Darcy. You’re probably going to bring up the same thing I was thinking of.
Well, I was thinking, I mean, not all devices. I mean, you can imagine, like, if you think about all the devices that you have and you unplug them and then you plug them back in, they don’t always turn back on right away, right? Like that you have to turn them on. And when you use a smart plug, you’re essentially doing that, right? You’re essentially unplugging it and plugging it back in. So you actually, you’re better off with a smart plug to use devices that are always on.
Like for example, I have a smart plug and I have it plugged into a fan, right, in my bedroom and I have that to come on at night. But it’s an old fan with like a physical switch. So when it, when the.

[30:47] The smart plug comes on, then it comes on. But if it was something that had to be turned on with a remote control or whatever, it’s not going to necessarily do that. All that happens when you when you turn on the smart plug.
Is the device gets power. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to turn on.
And one thing that I can suggest, and funny you bring this up because we, Demasi and I talked about on another show we host called Technically Working.
Recently, we were talking about HomeKit and home automations.
If you have an app for the AV system, as Darcy was saying, the HomePlug might not be the best solution.
But if that AV system doesn’t show up in home app, look into something like home automate, home automation or home bridge.
That’s the word I was thinking of, because those tools could bring third-party services into the home app that would connect to your AV app possibly and allow you to control the power through the home app with automations as well, if you need to automate some of that too.
Right. And even if you’re talking about something that doesn’t actually have an app, like some sort of AV thing, you might be able to get like what they call an IR blaster, which is basically something you can point to your device and it can mimic all the remote control codes.
Old Speaker Tech

[32:05] So there’s there’s other options, but I don’t think as far as an AV receiver goes, the smart plug is probably your best bet, like Michael said.
All right. Well, thank you for your help. Yeah, no problem. Thanks for bringing the question. We appreciate it.
And Home Assistant is the other one that I was thinking of that I couldn’t get out.
So home home bridge or home assistant or pool tools.
Who do we have next? Trish? We have Jesse. Go ahead. Hey, Jesse.
This is my day for asking questions.

[32:33] I have a pair of Sonos play one speakers that I bought like in the oh, maybe 2017, I want to say.
So they’re still being supported right now. But, you know, I’m cringing at the thought that before too long, they won’t be supported anymore.
And I’m wondering at that point what to do with them. And also because I am moving, I also have a pair of the original HomePods, the big HomePods.
And my thought is to keep the HomePods because I’m pretty much an Apple person.
I’ve got my iPhone 14 Pro.
I have an iPad Mini 6 and I have my Mac Mini.
So it would seem like it would be smart to keep my HomePods.

[33:34] But does anybody have any thoughts about when these things do become obsolete?
What is the best thing to do with them? I do specifically for Sonos because I’ve been watching this and it’s been an interesting adventure to watch, especially with Sonos’ transition from the S1 to S2 software, which is their new app that they released, I believe, mid last year.
Two things. Number one, if you decide that, hey, I like Sonos, I like that ecosystem, and if you were unaware, I actually have HomePods and Sonos playing together with each other, So I can use the advantages of Siri, but also push audio to the Sonos Ones that I have throughout the house as well, and listen to that all with my voice using Siri, which is pretty cool.

[34:21] And so what you can do with the Sonos Play Ones, if you’re like, hey, you know, I do want to upgrade to this new speaker that Sonos released that’s a competitor to the HomePods themselves, at least that’s what a lot of tech people are saying, is Sonos offers a trade-in program.
So you can take your older Sonos devices and trade them in for about 20 to 30% of the value.
So it’s not a lot, but it gives you a little bit of money and it puts newer devices in your home and allows you to, to responsibly send those other devices and get them disposed of and save you a little bit of money.
That could be a solution. A lot of times what I will do is I re-home electronics.
I have an audio mixer here that I am advertising at a very low cost to someone on Facebook because I know that there’s people out there who need this $500 mixer, but they might only have $150 and it’s literally just sitting behind me doing nothing.
So that’s another solution as well.
And then of course you can reach out if it’s something that has batteries, obviously I do recommend reaching out to your local waste management facilities and ask if they have any recycling programs for batteries and other electronics.

[35:31] Yeah, okay, but now what about my home pods? Mm-hmm, Kikos.
Is that what I’m… Yeah. Well, you know, any electronics that you have, you can always, you know, hand me down to a family member or possibly a good friend.
And you can also check with, you know, other organizations that may not have funds to buy all that stuff.
So a donation to a nonprofit that’s using it towards helping people in whatever way that you may support, we might love to have a couple of donations to use with whatever they’re doing.
Sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Apparently, on one of my HomePods, I have it sitting on an end table and I must have spilled coffee at some point or other.
There’s a little bit of a coffee stain on the bottom of it and I’m trying to figure I don’t think people are going to mind too much about a small coffee stain or something like that on them.
Oh, probably not.
Yeah. But the other thing about the home pods though is won’t they also eventually become obsolete?
The older ones, because now they’ve got the new big ones out and.

[36:40] Well, here’s the thing is yes. In terms of the software, it may not be running the current version of the software.
So it’s not going to be running the current version of the software.
Because yes, in terms of the software, it may not be running the current same software that’s on the new ones, but you can still connect them and use them to play music, which is going to be far better than what majority of people probably have or can afford in their home.
So they might just love them just for the fact of being able to play great sounding music on them.

[37:12] Yeah, yeah. Because I’ve been wondering, but you know, this is the really sneaky thing about having everything be connected by your phone or whatever, or the home app, because they do become obsolete.
Back in the day when you could play your records on your stereo, this is aging me, I know, you could keep your speakers and stuff for as long as they would play for you.
I’m having a hard time adjusting to this culture of…
After four or five years having to upgrade to whole new speakers when the ones I have are working perfectly fine,
Back to GPS

[37:55] but I want to be able to do the latest and greatest stuff.
Well, there’s technology for you in a nutshell. Thank you very much.
Who do we have next, Trish?
I can definitely relate to that though, Desi. So we do have three hands.
Before we move on to Beth, is there anyone in Clubhouse?
There is not.
Okay, Beth, go ahead and unmute that.

[38:20] Yeah, I know you were talking about, or somebody was talking about GPS.
Is that blind square or whatever? Is that in iOS or is that just in Android?
You can see I tried Soundscape a long time ago, and it didn’t seem to work really good.
Like it wouldn’t say this is on your left, or do you have to program it to work like if you want.
I want to get to say to like an apartment in my complex and I’m not sure where it is.

[38:53] Okay, to answer your first question, it’s definitely on iOS. So you can get it in the app store. I don’t have an Android device, so I’m not sure if it’s on Android or not, not, but I’m sure you could easily look it up. Yeah. You can just ask Michael and he’ll tell you.

[39:08] Yeah. The other thing is, you could go into the settings and you could adjust it to whatever your needs are.
If you’re in a new place, you can have it giving you lots of information all around you so you can get familiar.
And once you’re familiar with the area, you can tame it down and not have it giving you so much information.
I will say that if you are trying to navigate and you’re trying to get from point A to point B, you may want to tame it down a little bit because otherwise it can be a little overwhelming that it’s throwing everything at you while you’re trying to navigate to somewhere.
So if you’re just cruising around and you’re just trying to identify yourself, it’s great.
Shokz QUick Tip Multi Point Pairing

[39:55] But if you’re trying to actually navigate from point A to point B, you might want to tame it down because it can be overwhelming otherwise. Yeah, yeah, I have iOS. I just thought that, you know, there’s certain apps in Android that there’s not in iOS. So it’s called Blind Square. I had that name right, correct? Correct. Okay. Okay, thanks. Yep, no problem. Good luck. Okay, next we have Jewel. Go ahead. Welcome back, Jewel. Yeah.

[40:25] I just had a quick tip for everybody that I found out recently.
If you have Aftershock headphones, they can connect to more than one device.
So when I switched to the iPhone 12, I decided to keep my SE because it is busted on the back and it has a bad battery so it’s, you know, no trade-in value.
So I’m keeping it as an iPod touch. However, I tried switching my headphones over to it and found that it will connect to both.

[40:57] So I’m keeping the old phone as an iPod Touch basically as a dedicated book player because it has 128 gigs of storage and the new one only has 64 gigs. So it’s going to be all my books and stuff.
So you can connect to more than one device. You’ll want to connect the one that is you’re going to want to use like Siri and phone calls and stuff for second because that way when you hit the side button on the headphones, it will connect to the second device.
But then you can use the first device to listen to things and just pause it from the device.

[41:36] So just that I mentioned that. And if you need assistance with doing that with your aftershocks headphones specifically, because the procedure can vary dependent on the model itself, feel free to reach out to either shocks or the individuals who you purchase them from, or look up the Aftershocks manuals, several of which are available at atdais.com.
And that is great. I do, I forget about that because I just use it with my Shox quite regularly.
So what I do is I have my iPhone, well, I have the blind shell connected to my Shox headphones, and then I have my iPhone connected, and then it will not play audio from both devices at once, but it will switch between devices, and it is almost like magic.
Iphone 12

[42:21] Yeah, it’s really cool. And you don’t even notice it.
Yeah. Thank you, Joel. Appreciate it.
I’ll mention that the steps that I mentioned are for the open move.
So I’m not sure what would be for other models.

[42:34] Yeah, they’re very similar, but button placements can can alter.
So appreciate you sharing that with us. And thank you, Joel.
And we do have someone in Clubhouse now. All right. Let’s jump over to Clubhouse real quick.

[42:46] All right, Cindy, you’re up. Hello. Hello, how’s it going? Good, how are you?
Good, good. Um, okay. I have a iPhone 12 question.

[42:57] My iPhone 12, when I’m like typing or calling somebody, the voice is real slow.
How do I change that? Because I tried to go into settings and stuff.

[43:11] And I couldn’t figure it out.
You have to go to settings, accessibility, voiceover, And then there’s going to be a voiceover speed.
Shuting Down WIndows

[43:21] Down there and you flick up or down or you can slide it to adjust how fast or slow you want voiceover to speak.
Okay. So one more time, it’s settings, accessibility, voiceover, voiceover speed. Okay.
Thanks. Yep, no problem. Thank you. Hey, next we have Doc. Go ahead, Doc.
Hey, Doc, how’s it going? It’s going pretty good, but I understood you had a different way to shut down Windows.
Yes, sir.
So instead of going well, it depends. How do you currently shut Windows down?
I do Windows M followed by old F4 and then enter on shut down.
Beautiful. Okay.
The other way that I was mentioning to people is if you hold the Windows key and you tap X like X-Ray, anywhere inside of Windows OS, this will pop up a menu and going towards the bottom of the menu, I believe it’s the second option from the bottom, is a sub menu that says sign out or shut down.

[44:31] And if you choose that sub menu, then you can sign out, shut down, restart your computer, put it to sleep, whatever you want. And then of course, because it’s a menu, you can get familiar with the quick nav keys to be able to quickly type the letter to take you to sign out or shut down and then open that menu and then choose the option you want on that menu screen. Okay, so you can go right straight to Windows X-Ray. Yes sir, hold Windows key down and tap the X like X-Ray. Okay, yeah because what I was having to do sometimes in the other way it would not shut down certain programs.

[45:12] And then what I was, you know, it would say pause, canceled to go back and save your work and stuff?
Mm-hmm.
And then what I do is to hit Windows and start typing Task Manager.
But then the list got, like for Outlook, for example, is one that famously wouldn’t close completely. It would be so far down the list, it was very laborious to try to find it that way.
So did you try hitting Shift-Tab by chance when you got that screen that told you that the apps were preventing you from shutting Windows down and there should have been a shut down anyway button and press enter on that.
And that should skip. Oh yeah, sure.
Okay. Yeah, I know I had to bypass that, but Windows help desk suggested doing the task manager.
Question About BlindSquare

[46:09] And actually closing whatever program was not functioning properly.
Gotcha. And I appreciate that. So yeah, give that a try. Try Windows key X, go down to sign out and see if that- I’m gonna try that.
Perfect. And in the last 10 minutes we have here, do we have any other hands in Clubhouse? Darcy, thank you.
It doesn’t look like it. Nope, not right now.
Alrighty, what about Zoom, Trish?
All right, we have two hands. Chanel, go ahead. And you’re right, we’re almost at the 10 minute mark.
So I was just wondering again, I’ve heard you talk about BlindSquare And I thought that only told you what’s around.
Does it also give you point by point directions?
I mean, turn by turn or whatever, sorry, using wrong terminology.
As far as I know, it does, used to anyway, unless they’ve changed it.
It has a lot of functionality.
All of the features of being able to tell you what’s around you was kind of a secondary feature too, that it also will navigate you around.

[47:11] There was a lot of controversy in the beginning because people got annoyed with how much information it would throw at you and they didn’t realize that you could turn things on and off.
Yeah, I kind of got frustrated with that too.
And I turned, yeah, so I, and I thought it, okay. Anyway, it’s been like a year since I’ve used it.
Yeah, it’s been years since I’ve used it also. And so who knows how much it’s changed since I’ve used it last.
This is Joel. The BlindSquare app itself does not do turn by turn.
However, if you have a P.O.I., you can send it to another app from there,
Thermostat inquiry

[47:46] like Apple Maps, Google Maps or Open Maps Outdoor.
So and then they’ll do it simultaneously. Oh, good to know.
So so Blind Square doesn’t actually have the navigation directions, but you can send the direct or you can send the point of interest, which will then give you the turn by turn directions with Blind Square running at the same time.
Perfect. Thank thank you for clarifying that, Joel. Appreciate it.
Trish, who do we have next?
Marie, go ahead. Hi Marie!

[48:18] Okay, I have a question this time. My beloved VIP talking thermostat recently bit the dust, and I’m using one now.
It has a digital display, but it also has buttons. And I’m using it fairly well, but occasionally I have to call Be My Eyes and say, okay, what’s the setting?
Because I have it too high or too low.

[48:40] Of all the ones that are controlled with the apps, like the Alexa ones and the Nest thermostats.

[48:50] Are there any of them that if your wifi goes out, is there any way that you can control them manually or directly from an app, maybe through cellular on your phone?
Only if it would connect over data.
So what that means is a lot of times when you’re not home, so say like you’re traveling to visit a family member, and you want to log onto your thermostat from their house and set it so that by the time you get home it’ll be the temperature you want it to be. If the thermostat has that capability, you could turn off your Wi-Fi and see if you could log into the thermostat over cellular data.
Okay. I really don’t like being dependent on having a Wi-Fi device without some kind of manual or or are different.
Like on the Nest, it used to have a manual control on it where you would rotate it right or left to do the adjustments and then push the button.
But I don’t know about all the other ones. A lot of them are flat now and some of them have buttons, some of them are touchscreen. They’re all a little bit different.
So you’re gonna have to just kind of check and do your research.
I mean, another thing too, is you can call your power company.
A lot of times they have grants where they’re giving them away for free they come install it for you.
So you might want to see what they have for those options. Then you wouldn’t even have to pay for it.
If there’s one that’s compatible with your needs.

[50:16] But I’ve heard the power companies a lot of times, they can then program those devices on their own without your control.
They’re trying to get you to save power. And I don’t know if that’s true or not. I just heard that. It could be just a rumor.
Just a quick back to the Sonos speakers. I have a house full of Sonos speakers and I have a Play 5 and two Play 1s.
No, four Play 1s that are probably 10 years old. They still work fine. There’s no reason.
There’s no reason they may be obsolete, but that doesn’t stop them from working.
And I have a Sonos One that is three or four years old and it works with the new software, it works with the new assistant, everything.

[50:55] So I wouldn’t be concerned. I love my Sonos speakers. Yeah.
I mean, if you like the Sonos speakers like you, I’m really fond of Sonos ecosystem.
As I said, you can upgrade your older speakers to get those newer ones, which will then play with the HomePods.
For example, if I tell Siri right now to play what’s currently playing here on my desk in the living room, it’ll play it on the Sonos that are in the living room because they’re all tied together with AirPlay.
So yeah, Sonos is great. And I’ll tell you, if you send us an email to feedback at unmute.show, and if someone listening to the podcast has some ideas, we can help facilitate sharing that information along with you about accessible thermostats.
I’ve heard great things about the EcoBees, but I’ve never asked if they have buttons or knobs.
So if you listening have any ideas, then we’d be glad to share that information along and you can send an email to feedback at unmute.show as well.
So thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys very much. You’re welcome.
No problem. I have an idea. Okay. Hey, this is Ann. Hi Ann.
My thermostat, it just so happened that my company had it. I didn’t even know, but I really liked my thermostat because every time I switch from 78 to 80, and then 80 to 82, or whatever, the way it’s made, it just clicks.
And so when I click.

[52:20] And then at the top of it, you can feel little indentions. So then I know when I click it to this particular indention, it’s on 80, or I click it back to this other indention, it’s on 70, and that’s just five clicks. So I don’t know what kind it is, but.

[52:43] If you can look around for, if you don’t want everything talking to you, you. Um, you know, um, that that’s just clicks.
It’s not talking to me. It just clicks when I turn it.
That is the statement of the day that I really appreciate. And I can’t express to you how much, if you don’t want everything talking to you, that is why I’m learning how to use a Braille display right now. So I agree. Sometimes it’s annoying when you have things talking all over the place.
Yes. Yes, it is. Well, thank you for that suggestion, Anne, and definitely appreciate everyone.
Marty, it looks like we are coming up on the top, so I will let you wrap things up.
All righty, well, thanks everyone for coming. We wanna remind you that two weeks from today on April 18th, we’re gonna be having a special event, which is gonna be Script Talk.
So if you’re interested in hearing all about how you can get your medication bottles to be read out loud to you, then come check that out. It’ll be a good one.
Also, if you want to get ahold of us, feedback at unmute.show is our email address and questions, comments, or anything else. You can reach us there.
Everybody have a great week and we will see you.

[53:56] Okay, go. So real quick, going back to this windows X shutdown thing.
So does that shut down the computer differently than shutting it down from the desktop? No, no. Okay.
It’s just an alternative way to get there. The Windows X menu has some other options in it as well, but it’s a similar process.
It’s actually closer to going to the start menu, pressing up and then going over to shut down.
OK, one of the things I will mention real quick, too, if you are wearing USB headphones when shutting down your computer, most of the time, another indicator you will get is it will make clicking sounds like it’s turning off.
So that’s another indicator to know if your computer has shut down properly.
So just throw that out there as well. It’s quick. And I have one quick question, if I may.
If you use the Windows X, will it shut down all the programs that are open?
Or is it still the same process if you were to use the Alt F4?
Yeah, it’s still the same process. It’s just a different way of getting to the same menu.
Okay, thank you.
Yep, no problem. And appreciate everyone joining us. We’ll be back next Tuesday.
Again, feedback at unmute.show. And we look forward to having Script Talk on the 18th.
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Mastering Voice Isolation: A Guide to Blocking out Background Noise

In this episode of Unmute Presents, hosts Marty and Michael discuss a new feature called voice isolation, which can help you get better audio quality by blocking out background noise while on a phone call. Michael demonstrates how to enable this feature on iOS 16.4 and provides a step-by-step guide to activate voice isolation. He also shares some useful tips on how to re-enable this feature on every phone call. Tune in to this informative episode to learn how to master voice isolation and get crystal clear audio quality during your phone calls. Don’t forget to share your feedback at feedback@unmute.show and visit acb.community for more information about their weekly live show every Tuesday at 10am Pacific Time (1pm Eastern).

Transcript

Marty:
[0:05] Hey all, Marty and Michael here. Today we’re going to show you voice isolation.
This is a new feature that was released in this previous update that just came out a couple of days ago.
And what it is, is if you have a lot of noise around you and you need to really get better audio out of your microphone, this will block out the sounds around you such as outdoor sounds like if a fire engine goes by or if there’s a lot of traffic anything like that.
So Michael is going to show you how to enable this and Michael take it away.

Michael:
[0:44] Full transparency initially I was going to bring my phone into the recording but well I kind of lost my adapter so I’m going to walk you through the process of enabling voice isolation on iOS 16.4 while on a phone call.
Out by making a phone call. So what we’ll do is we’ll start by telling Siri to call someone real quick.
Call 458-666-3342. Calling plus one 458-666-3342.
This will now call a number and the phone is on like I’m making a phone call to someone. Now if I take the phone away from my head, you’ll be switched over to speaker.

[1:29] So what I need you to do is find the time in the top left corner of your screen.
Three finger flick up and you’ll hear that you’re in your control center.
If you explore the screen you’ll see something that says Video Effects towards the top of the screen. If you slide your finger to the right it’ll say Off.

[1:47] Continuing your finger to the right will say Selected Phone.
And if you slide your finger or flick to the right again you’ll hear Standard.
If you double tap on Standard this says Selected Standard button.
And then you can flick to the right and there’s an option that says voice isolation button. Double tap on voice isolation button and this will then be selected.
Wide spectrum, as of the time of recording, is not available on actual phone calls. So, though it shows, you can’t actually enable it.
Do a scrub gesture. This is two fingers sliding fluidly from the right back to the left and then to the right again.
Or use your single finger and swipe up from the bottom to do a home gesture.
Press your home button if you have an SE and this will take you back to your control center. Do this again to get back to the in-call screen and now people can hear you a lot more clearly on their phone.
Quick note, it appears that you do have to re-enable this every phone call that you want to use it on. We hope you found today’s demonstration to be helpful.
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Unmute Presents – Multi-factor authentication- What you need to know

Transcript

[0:07] Hey there and welcome to another Thursday episode on the Unmute Presents podcast.
Michael here, and I’m joined by a commonly heard voice around, well, around my voice and around the unmute parts.
This is Demasi and today we’re talking about two-factor authentication, second factor authentication, or 2FA.
And Demasi, have you heard people call it something else aside from that, that people might want to keep their ear out for and listen up on?

[0:37] Yeah, sometimes you may hear it referred to as well as a multi-factor authentication, which in some places those terms actually do mean different things, but it’s sort of like, you know, Googling has become a generalized term for searching the internet.
People often use all of those terms that you mentioned as well as multi-factor to mean the process of putting in a username, putting in a password, and then having something that you are, uh, that you either have or that you’re given at the moment of needing it to act as a second factor or a, uh, extra additional layer to your logins on the internet.

[1:16] And people hopefully have a form of this on their bank accounts at minimum bank accounts and email addresses. I would say, is there any other minimum things you would say? Of course, ideally anything that, that offers it, but what at minimum would you say people have it on?
My bank forces me to have it and my email forces me to have it.

[1:36] Yeah, so I and I would start with those two actually like anything that touches any kind of money any kind of financials where if someone was able to access that maliciously, it will cause you serious pain.
You want that on so any financial institution and as Michael said my bank forces me to have it on.
And there’s also extra safeguards in place with most banking you know applications and websites where if you’re logging in from from an unknown location like there’s gonna be some extra hoops you have to jump through which is good it can be annoying when you’re in a rush but it’s good because they’re protecting you it’s not just like oh we’re gonna let you sign in for South Dakota even though we’ve never seen you anywhere in that part of the country before.
We don’t want that to happen. Other places, right.

[2:25] Email of course and the reason you want it on your email account is simply because that is kind of the key to everything else.
If people are able to access your email, they can easily one just by perusing your inbox and deleted an archive folder depending on which email service you’re actually using.
They’ll be able to see prior emails from services that you use, which just gives them a direct connection like, oh you’re a Dropbox user, okay.
So now I’m gonna go to Dropbox.com, I’m gonna put in your email address and say I forgot my password and because I’m in your email, well look I can get in.
So that’s another reason to have email set up.
I would say any accounts also that allow for direct drawing, so it’s not directly a financial institution, but anything that can directly draw from your financials.
So think your iTunes account, for example, right?
You don’t really have a whole lot of authentic. I mean, you do, but once you’ve set things up to your liking for your convenience, you know, just run up a tab in the Apple store or the app store.
So, you know, you want that to be protected things like, you know, I’m trying to think of other services.

[3:39] You’re a better seller for that.

[3:40] Your play store, your, yeah. You know, your internet account bill.
Because again, you know, or cable bill, cable account, because again, those things can easily cost you money because you have payment information stored on file. And there are things people could potentially want that they will make you pay for. So, you know, if you ever…
Internet provider or cable provider that you use and somebody wants to watch that big fight coming up or the next You know Wrestlemania or whatever like, you know, they’ll just charge it to you or watch it and you know now you got a Extra $57 charge you weren’t looking for or I mean you can even charge an Apple TV because they’re pushing their app so you that is a concern that people have an all-in-all of your a lot of your Um, cable providers are also enforcing a form of two FAA and not calling it that.

[4:32] So what we talk about today may sound familiar. And if it’s something you’re familiar with, hopefully some of the knowledge will help you be informed so you can explore additional options in more secure ways.
And I’ve seen this happen to mossy with spectrum, sending me a text message to my phone number that’s registered with the account.
And then saying, we can’t make any changes until you give us that code.
Now I called spectrum. So I knew who I was calling. I verified my pin number, which is our security pin that we have. But in order for me to make another change, I have to give them that code that they text to the number.
That would be a form of two FAA, right?

[5:10] Yep. It is in a sense, because you still can’t do an action without that, you know, external piece of information, right?
Like it’s not just, Hey, what do you know? like give me your birthday and then we’ll let you do whatever you want to.
It’s like, no, we’re going to send this. And if you don’t have access to that phone in order to give them the code and you don’t have that, which means nothing’s going to happen. So that is a form of that.
I see this oftentimes, too. sometimes we’re just logging into services that don’t directly offer.
2FA, but however they are providing a form of 2FA, I just didn’t have an opportunity to set it up and choose what method I would like to choose.
You know, I log in, I put in an email, and I put in a password, and then they’re like, oh, you know, you’re logging in from a different device.
Here’s, you know, we just emailed or texted a code to your number on file, and you need to enter that.
So those are all things that you will generally see, and oftentimes companies are trying to make that process of two-factor or or multi-factor, that’s really where you’re getting kind of to the actual meaning of multi-factor authentication because we’re making you verify in several different ways that you are the person that should be able to access this account and do whatever, you know, changes, upgrades, et cetera, that you wanna do inside of that account.
I wanna go back one second, because one place that you really should probably have two-factor on your account, and they’re kind of enforcing it on a low-level way, I’ve seen with a lot of people, is Amazon.

[6:34] Because again, once your payment information is in Amazon, if someone gains access to your account, they’re buying whatever they want to buy.
Like Amazon does not ask you to authenticate yourself a second time.
Like go into Amazon and purchase something.
The minimum they’re going to ask me for may be to log in again if I’m on the website.
If I’m in a mobile app that I’ve managed to add to my Amazon account, or as a malicious person I’ve managed to gain access to Michael’s Amazon account through an app, they’re never gonna ask me again for a password or anything like that unless Michael goes and changes it.
So therefore now I’m just buying stuff with Michael’s card. I can add a new address to have it shipped where I want it to.
So Amazon for sure. And what I have seen with Amazon, again, this is a form of multi-factor authentication for you where you have to put in your username and password, but before you can continue on into your account, they’re either sending a code to your phone, or now what they’re doing a lot with people is just sending a link that you have to click that verifies like you got this and you also approve this.
And they’re giving you information as to where the log in occurred, the type of device, et cetera.

[7:43] So those are all things that.
A good company that either one, if you want to look at it from an altruistic standpoint, they really care about their customers and their safety.
Or if you’re more cynical, like I am, you’re going to look at it from the standpoint, they’re cutting down on customer service, support requests, and, you know, having to having to replace a whole bunch of money that somebody maliciously, you know, basically stole from someone by forcing you to have to go through a few extra hoops, especially when signing in from an unknown device.

[8:12] So you mentioned something when we were talking about multi-factor authentication and how if you had a choice, you may pick, you may have picked something different, but you were in a hurry. So you just got a text message to verify that you were who you were.
What type of choices does someone have?

[8:28] What choices does someone have? So, generally speaking, the most broadly found options out there are going to be SMS messages where you’re going to give them a phone number and they’re going to send you a text with a code that you have to enter.
This also can be done in some places I’ve seen where you can use an email address, so they’ll just email you the second factor code and you have to type it in.
Bye. Thank you for watching. And I’ll see you in the next video.
Next, I would say, would be in a more secure, would be an app of some sort, a 2FA code generator.

[9:04] And that takes the form of probably the most widely known of these at this point is Google Authenticator, where you scan a QR code.
And basically what’s happening on the backend, on a very high level is your phone that scans, the QR code contains a secret that your phone stores.
It basically is matching up the time on your phone with the time of the server.
And that way, because these codes change every 30 seconds, in most cases, some I’ve seen do 60, but usually it’s 30 seconds so that they match up.
And they’re called time based. Wow. One time.
These were the call time based authentication is really what it is.
So you want the server time in your phone’s time to be matched up because your phone will generate a code that says 1 2 3 4 5 6 and the computer on the other end that you’re authenticating to the server that the website is on or that the app is you know connected to also needs to be to verify that code and they’re using some cryptography in the background to kind of generate what should the code be at this you know during this 30-second interval.

[10:11] Generally although it’s not widely spoken about you usually have about 35 seconds for those codes so if you catch it say at the three seconds when you see it and there’s three seconds left in that 30 second cycle most systems will honor the code you know a few seconds over because obviously you got to look at it and then type it in right and it would be horrible if we just get caught in this weird loop where you can’t get the code in because you keep timing out so most cases you will have a couple of seconds over that 30 seconds but thereafter that is not gonna matter if you punch it in or not because it’s no good to you and no good to the server because it’s not calculating anymore.

[10:52] That is more secure than text messages for a couple of reasons.
It does not make you bulletproof. Let’s be clear, nothing about two-factor is bulletproof.
There are several situations here recently where companies have been breached due to social engineering practices and people have been tricked into typing in, say, their six-digit code that was generated by an app.
So it’s not bulletproof. You still have to be aware of what you’re doing.
But it is more secure because, one, it’s on a device that you have versus a text message, which if someone is able to hijack your SIM, most of us honestly probably are not targeted for that, but the easier those things become, the more likely it becomes more widespread.
So let’s say if you happen to breach a cell phone carrier, for example, and you’re able to access customer records, well, why not do a little SIM swapping while you’re in there? I mean, you’re already in there, right?
Might as well have some fun.
But generally speaking in the security industry, time-based one-time codes are considered to be more secure than text messages because text messages are just sent in the clear.
Like there’s no encryption on them. There’s no nothing. So they can be, there are different ways people can impersonate you or insert themselves in the middle of that conversation and be able to grab a code via a text message.
Email, I think, would be a bit more secure because most times the connections between your email client and this server and the mail server are going to be encrypted.

[12:21] But time based one time passwords tend to be more secure. And again, Google Authenticator is an app for that.
Authy is a pretty decent app for that. I’ve not personally used it, but I know a lot of people that have and they liked it. And it offers the ability as well to sync across devices, which can make life a little bit more convenient.
Their security seems to be fairly well, you know, fairly pretty good as well. I hope so.

[12:45] That’s dangerous. Bye.

[12:49] Microsoft Authenticator is also another option that a lot of people have used, especially if you’re in the Windows world.
Not being a full-time Windows user, I’ve never used that as well myself, but hear good things about it from people in the security space.
So, you know, I tend to trust their opinion because they’re managing other people’s security.
Also, a lot of the password managers, I can’t say all of them because there are a lot of them out there that I’ve never even heard of, But for example, one password and bitboard and both offer the ability to store one time passcodes in your vaults alongside the items that you’re using to log in with.
And there’s a bit of a, you know, it’s a personal perception situation.
I do have some of my I have a lot of my two factor codes stored right alongside the login item in one password because it makes filling those in easier.
I’m still going through the steps. The security level is still there protecting my account, but it just makes it a bit more convenient for me.

[13:50] However, my Gmail or Workspace account two-factor code is not in one password.
I keep that out in a whole separate app.
Similarly for say my bank, or at least a business bank I use, because they allow me to do this.
I don’t have those codes stored there as well. The next level up I would say for this would be YubiKeys, or I say YubiKeys and what I really mean, YubiKeys have kind of become the Google of security keys because everybody just refers to them as YubiKeys.
There are other brands out there that exist, but security keys are the next level up in security.
And what makes these a little bit better than the other two options is, one, you have to have this device in your hand so it lowers the opportunity, the risk of phishing, because even if, let’s say someone gets you to go to, PayPal with two Ys, P-A-Y-Y-P-A-L.com, and you have two-factor setup with PayPal, but it’s just a six-digit code.
If everything looks okay to you and you don’t check that URL, you could give the attackers all the information they need, your username, your password, and your two-factor code at the moment for them to turn around and immediately use it to log into PayPal, right?
This could happen. It has happened to people, not with PayPal necessarily, but it has happened.
Whereas with a security key, if you were to go to payypal.com.

[15:14] And let’s say you put in your username and your password and now it’s asking for the security key because that’s what they see on their end, it’s not going to work because the security key that you have connected to PayPal, they’ve exchanged a cryptographic secret that’s only held on your device and held on PayPal’s server like you know you have a secret key that signs a thing PayPal has a key that signs a thing and the only way to decrypt it is to have the the opposing private key so it’s not gonna work simply because the security’s gonna be like well I don’t recognize you don’t have a site stored for you don’t have a entry stored on your key for this site so it instantly red flags if nothing else has thrown anything up now security keys are not the most easiest thing to deal with Not every site that offers two-factor even offers it as an option.
And, you know, they can be a little expensive to buy into because recommendation, including my recommendation, is if you’re going to go down that path is using security keys, have a minimum two.
Because and I’ll tell you a good reason why there is the, I have one on my key ring, Michael has one on his key ring.
And you lose your keys or you can’t find your keys. Or as Michael did one day, you know, you hand your wife your keys because it has the Jeep key on and she drives off and then he’s like, oh crap I can’t get into my stuff.

[16:30] One day?

[16:31] My YubiKey’s on my key ring. Where’s the one day I knew about it where it’s like oh, oh my, no.
But another reason is, so one of the security keys that I have had, and I’m gonna say it was the second one I actually bought. The first one I bought, I bought a $25 YubiKey.

[16:50] Works quite well, has NFC and USB-A. I bought a second one as a backup, and when I switched computers, just to give you a little bit of background.
So I switched computers. I have a Mac Mini that’s now running as a home server.
I have a laptop now, a MacBook Air.
So I stuck the YubiKey because this computer never leaves my house.
And it was one of the small nano keys that’s meant to stay in a USB port.
This one happened to be USB-A.
They also make USB-C versions of this. You do not want to put these in a computer that moves.
Right, this Mac Mini does not move. It’s not leaving my house.
And if someone breaks into my house and has physical access to the Mac Mini, I promise you I got a lot bigger problems than that they’re gonna look at this weird USB thing and be like, oh, I guess I can log in as this guy now.
They’re like, oh, I got a new Mac Mini.
But I had this key out for some reason one day, I think I had been moving the computer around or something. I dropped it and it cracked.
So that key is no longer working.
If I only had one key, I would be locked out of a lot of things at the moment.
So you always want to have at least two now my recommendation if you want to go down to YubiKey or the security key path I do purchase YubiKey.
I keep saying YubiKey They are not the only brand that exists But they are the one that I am most familiar with because they are what I have owned All right, they they are what I do own.

[18:09] You’ll see good Tyson, which is a similar thing if you’re looking for something That’s not YubiKey So actually the Google Titan Google Titans keys were available.

[18:18] I don’t think Google is actually selling those anymore There was a hardware vulnerability discovered in their keys that they were selling.
This is about four years ago. So if you see Google Titan security keys anywhere, and they’re not being sold direct from Google because they may fix it and bring them back, I don’t know. But as of what I know right now, they’re not for sale by Google. Don’t buy them. Don’t ever buy a used key.
Do just don’t do it. Buy them brand new.

[18:47] YubiKey does have keys that are 25 bucks and they have a and these are the Yubikey security series is what I believe they are called.
But you can very easily determine whether they’re the right key or not, because they will have either USB-A or USB-C as the connector for plugging into a device, and they will also have NFC in them.
Those are good. I have one of those is one of the first ones.
That’s actually the first one I bought, because I was like, I don’t know about a security key thing. I’m not going to spend 50 bucks on them.
And then I don’t like it. Or is it accessible or does it work?
Like, how do I use this thing? I got a touch a disc. Where’s the disc?
I don’t know any of this stuff So here’s the thing. They basically look like little very very thin flash drives And there’s a little circular indentation.
That is where you put your finger when you plug it into a computer or tap it on the back of your phone For NFC to authenticate and it says touch the disc on your thing.
So they are very usable. There’s no screen there there are nothing like the What were commonly referred to as like the footballs back in the day where you would have a little token on your keyring that?
Generated the code on the device and you will have to look at it Like I was terrified at one point when I was getting a job.
Dealing with IT that they were going to give me one of those things and I wasn’t going to be able to sign into anything because I couldn’t see the code on the thing because nobody made a talking one.
Not sure you would have wanted that anyway, blaring out your code.
Your code is 123456. It’s like, oh, we just own that guy.

[20:14] But security keys are a reasonable solution if you want to go there again, I really suggest buying two.

[20:22] Now, just for anybody that is really interested in them, you don’t have to go out immediately and buy two.
Because most services, and I’m thinking Google, Dropbox, many other services, GitHub, if you happen to use GitHub.

[20:36] But a lot of services will allow you to add a key, and I’ll take this from the Google standpoint, because just about everybody has a Google account of some sort.
You can add a key and still have other means of providing two-factor, right? You have to actually go through some Herculean steps to force Google to only allow the use of security keys on your account.
So even though I have a security key, two security keys on my Google account, I can’t always fall back to a six digit code with the app that I have that code saved in.
Or if I had my phone number in there, I can have them send me a text message.
I don’t have that turned on.
So you can start with a single key to see if this is something, a part of your life that you want to start to, you know, implement tighter security if a security key is going to be the way you want to go. You can’t buy one.
Spend 25 bucks and try it out with something like Google or Dropbox or any service that doesn’t quickly restrict you to only using security keys.
Now, there are some systems where once you put a security key in, you’re done. Like there’s no more fallback failover solutions like your security key is going to get you in or you ain’t getting in.
So if anybody’s interested, you can definitely try that. There are a couple of middle tier.

[21:53] I’ll say middle tier. I kind of feel like they sort of fall in between the two-factor apps with the code generators and a YubiKey or a security key, excuse me. I keep saying YubiKey.
A security key. Those are systems sort of like Duo is one that comes to mind for me as well as Microsoft Authenticator has this capability as well.
You’ll see this with Google if you have a Google app installed on your mobile device and you sign in from an unknown browser or something, it will send a push notification to your device where you just approve it.
It says we’ve detected you’re trying to log in near and it’ll give you a location and sometimes a browser type and all of that device that you’re signing in from and then there’s a yes or no button or approve or deny button depending on the application.
That is still multi-factor authentication or second factor authentication because you still had to put in the username and password to get there.
Those are definitely more convenient.

[22:49] Again, sort of like security keys, not every service is going to support that, however.
And even the ones that do tend to use their own applications for this.
So you’re not really going to have that integration with push across the board for a lot of your services unless you’re working in an enterprise or you set this up in your own small business or something like that.
Because, yes, Microsoft Authenticator will send you a push for your Microsoft account. Google’s gonna want to use their app to send you a push for their service.
EBay wants you to use the eBay app to get a push for their service and so on and so forth, right?
That kind of reduces the convenience especially if you’re like me where I don’t have Microsoft Authenticator installed anywhere. I barely have any Microsoft apps installed at all. So no pushes from them.
Security keys are what I use for my Microsoft account.
So those are the kind of the different, you know, methods of two-factor authentication.
And there’s some others that, you know, are more stringers that really aren’t common, but the most common ones are going to be get a text, get a code via text message or link.
You know, also usually sometimes you will have the option to use email as opposed to a text message.

[24:00] A one-time code or general six-digit code authenticator, such as the Authy app or Google Authenticator or you know adding it to your password manager.
And then security keys are going to be the primary ways and the primary choices that you’re mostly going to see. Security keys less so than the other two options.
Text messages and authenticator apps are the most common ways.
If you have an option go with the authenticator app. Some services only give you text messages. Take the text messages. You may hear people say oh it’s so insecure and is, you know, there are a lot of gotchas in that situation.
One, you have to be targeted enough for people to really go through the effort to try to SIM jack you. Hasn’t happened to me yet.
Highly unlikely that it ever will, unless doing this on mute show really makes me famous and people can have more money than I actually have.
You know, they’ll be sadly disappointed if they get into anything, but hey.

[24:58] But any kind of security is better than none. Locking your door is better than not locking your door. Think about it that way.
Also, use what you’re comfortable with is the main piece of advice I give people.
If you’re most comfortable with a text message because you know you’re never going to possibly lose your phone, you’re always better to recover, hey, do that.
If you’re going to do an authenticator app, investigate options for backing up that data or storing that data in a secure location to recover.
Times with the security, with the apps, with the authenticators, you’re gonna get you know anywhere between 5 to 20 recovery codes from the service that you’re setting that up with.
Save those somewhere secure, password manager, encrypted disk, print them out and stash them in a safe.
Do something because those are your backups to get you in if you you know drop your phone in the lake and now you don’t have your authenticator app but you still need to log into Google so that you can initiate the process to recover your phone. Right. You know, you want to be able to do that.

[26:02] I’m glad you brought up the security codes because I was going to mention that.
Um, and so if you get that opportunity, definitely download those, save them and explore what multifactor authentication works best for you to mostly before we wrap it up today with our very interesting show, and I say that in twofold, how the editing comes out and all the content is, um, do you have anything else you want to share?

[26:31] I don’t just generally, you know, set up two factor wherever you can, whenever you can make use of it. Because here’s the thing, if nothing else, you know, you can’t be held responsible for what a company decides to do with their data and how they handle it.
You know, you can do all of the right things, have a great, super strong password and all of those things.
And if somebody gets breached and is able to, you know, if they’re storing your password and securely on their server, that’s not your fault.
There’s nothing you could have done about that. and in most cases we have no way of knowing it until they get breached.
But if two factor is in place for you, at least it offers another layer of protection for your online account in case your password is ever leaked in any sort of breach.
And it makes you less, you know, you’re not as low hanging a fruit as those who don’t have it on.
So, you know, lock your door. It’s like you go out in public, you lock your car doors because people walk by and they just yank on car door handles. If a door opens, they’re in there. If a door doesn’t open, they tend to keep walking.

[27:33] Stay secure. And we will check in with Demasi next year and see if that statement about not having a lot of Microsoft apps is still accurate, uh, give him a year with parallels and maybe he’ll start using them.
Check out Technically Working for more information on that. Unmute is live on Tuesdays at 10 a.m. Pacific time. That’s 1 p.m. Eastern Sundays.
We bring you something to teach you. And then Thursdays we go in depth with people like Demasi. Thanks for joining us, Demasi.
And how can people reach out to you if they’re interested?

[28:11] You can check me out at bedrockinnovations.com slash contact.
If you are on Mastodon, Uh, do me a favor and just go to, uh, demasi.yourownpay.com, and that’ll get you to my masternown location. Uh, if you mentioned me on Twitter, I still will get a notification. So, uh, I may reply.

[28:33] Thanks for joining and thanks for listening.

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How to Share an Article from Safari Using VoiceOver

Introduction:

Marty shows how to share an article from Safari using VoiceOver
Steps to Share an Article:

Open an article in Safari

Go to the bottom toolbar

Locate the Share icon in the center

Do a single finger double tap to open the share sheet

Choose from different ways to share the article from Safari

Options include texting or emailing the article, saving it in notes, or in a read it later app

Other options include copying, printing, and more

Peruse the share sheet and enjoy exploring the different options
Conclusion:

Following these simple steps will allow you to easily share articles from Safari using VoiceOver

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